"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

The myth of the humble farmer or small holder living in harmony with his land is as bullshit as the myth of the noble savage. The vast majority of farmers see the planet as a resource to make money from. If they take any heed to local conditions, they think of it in tragedy of the commons style. For instance, in many places around the world, the aquifers irrigating farmland have less than 20 years before they're emptied. Local farmers are aware. They take it as a warning to pump as much water as possible as fast as they can, because if they don't take the water and turn it into profit, someone else will, and the water will still be gone.

And that's not even getting into how these brutal exploitative farming methods are what allowed the Earth's population to balloon to a unsustainable 8 billion and ravage the land and devour resources of every sort.

The vast majority of farmers are the enemy of the planet. In my more green authoritarian moments, I envision nationalizing every acre and setting up eco villages of subsistence farmers populated by the poor of our cities and worked by former corporate middle management reduced to serfdom. No one should own whole square miles of farmland. Not even farmers.

I live in a farming community in Saskatchewan, Canada.

Me too. I've talked to a few retired farmers and a couple of active farmers who just shake their heads at all the nonsense, but I would say that you are generally correct.

I know that zero-tillage and high-cut stubble goes a long way to reducing erosion, but I can't help thinking that they've picked the wrong time to get rid of all the tree rows.

Where I live, way down South in the USA, the general attitude is God isn't going to let this happen. Most of my neighboring towns are projected to be under water in the next two decades, tops. But God said he wouldn't destroy the earth with floods again...

5 years minimum, they're going to protest again against insurance companies because their rates arw going to be on the roof.

I fucking hate farmers, man

Meh, i've talked to organic farmers here in Europe (and real organic farmers, not bigscale "we're technically organic), and even they were against the current proposals. the plan appeared to be very naive, and would just end up making farming (even the most ecological variants) extremely uncertain and always at direct odds with nature preservation, and as some others have already said, we would just end up in more food being imported from parts of the world where farming standards are way lower, where there is more worker exploitation, etc... that can't possibly be the goal of an environmental plan either.

There of course is a big conflict between farming & nature preservation, but then adding that to the pile of bullshit farmers already have to endure (a lot of regulation, big supermarkets dictating the price at which they 'may' sell, even outside the proposal that was cancelled here, a lot of constantly changing environmental regulations, expensive farmland because they're competing against wealthy people who want to put some horses there, ...)

And if the end goal is to have nearly no farming left in Europe, then that should be clearly communicated, and not just adding random things to the pile of stuff farmers have to deal & contend with.

I called my brother and sister in law out over exactly this, because we heard the beeps and honks in the distance in our town. Self reflection lasted all of 5 seconds, and then it was back to regularly scheduled programming. People don't want to think about the horrifying environmental situation we're careening towards, so they just... don't.

It's almost like the reaction is about the message, not the act of blocking things.

I think carbon footprint calculations should really include imported carbon. My "electronic device" was manufactured in China. The carbon emitted in its manufacture should follow the product to me, as I am the reason it was manufactured.

People blaming China and other countries that manufacture a significant amount of products with relatively dirty power are really just shirking the blame. When imported carbon is considered, the US and Canada are the worst polluters per capita.

Exactly. If farmers were better off atm, it probably wouldn't be such a big issue for them. Traditional farmers are quickly dying out where I live. They have to opt for use of pesticides, mass production of meat and other crap to even make a living. Either that, or some lucky few get enough customers that buy their products at a high premium.

The vote was on restoring 20% of the EUs most damaged landscapes until 2035. This is impossible to do with a small little garden.