1584
submitted 2 years ago by L4s@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

Leaked Zoom all-hands: CEO says employees must return to offices because they can't be as innovative or get to know each other on Zoom::Zoom CEO Eric Yuan discussed the benefits of in-person work in a leaked meeting.

(page 5) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I'll get downvoted to hell for this, but the CEO is at least partially right. It is really hard to get to know people and build trust remotely.

I started my first post-college job in August of 2020. Most people were remote, but I was not due to the nature of my work. It is extremely hard to get to know people exclusively over email, phone calls, and video calls. It's frustrating not being able to get to know people even at the surface level. Knowing a little bit about your coworkers allows you to build rapport with them. Video and voice calls can be unreliable, and people can be very difficult to understand without in person cues and the ability to read lips. I say all of this as a very introverted person with social anxiety.

[-] NightOwl@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wish people would move away from the will be downvoted for this statement before saying something. It's just meaningless votes, and message is stronger without it than giving the impression of caring about karma or a willingness to stand by it regardless of reaction by not even acknowledging it.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago

Upvoted because you've definitely touched on a very real problem that needs to be addressed.

But you're completely wrong about the cause. The problem is companies with a bad culture. @Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me said it brilliantly in a comment further up the thread, and I did my best (less elegant) job of explaining it above that. The company needs to take steps to encourage a good relationships between people, for example with casual and non-work-related chats in the chat app of choice, or by having people frequently working on problems in pairs instead of solo, especially when first starting out.

I had better relationships with my coworkers fully remotely at my last job than I do at my current job despite being in the office frequently. And that's all down to how the company manages its culture.

[-] Copernican@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I disagree. Good culture is sometimes an accident. And folks in charge like to take credit for that accident working out

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[-] lemmylurkaround@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It seems like the vast majority of people are coming at this from the standpoint of "I know how to do my job, why do I need to be an office". This may be unpopular but you do it for the new people who need a Lot of company support to get on their feet. I remember starting out and how much easier it was to ask people questions in person over lunch etc. It's intimidating for a new person to sit in front of a computer and ask random people they've never met questions, really amps that imposter syndrome.

You're not wrong, but it's a process that can be improved. I will 100% say that we've had better results in person for newbies, BUT it is not a valid reason as an overall rule. In my mind, the benefits far outweigh the downsides. Fuck the office (not the show, it's amazing)

[-] TheWheelMustGoOn@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

Yes I worked the last two years at University and the offices were empty almost constantly. I just didn't get any connections to anyone and didn't even know if the people could help my cause, since everyone had different projects and you just didn't know what they are actually working on

[-] TheCraiggers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Remote-only companies existed before, during, and continue existing after COVID. And those companies have new people as well. Perhaps you're right and that it's harder to ask questions on slack as a newbie (although I believe it's completely up to personal taste) but is that worth all the benefits of remote work?

I believe it's not.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›
this post was submitted on 23 Aug 2023
1584 points (98.6% liked)

Technology

72897 readers
1668 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related news or articles.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS