Every time a sequel or a comic book movie lands on its face, someone rewrites an article about franchise/superhero fatigue. And that's been going on for over a decade.

People will show up to watch a good movie. Guardians 3 did really well. Spider-Man is the "same old stuff." This is all cherry picking examples. Movies don't do well when they're bad or the star is unappealing somehow.

Hollywood will stop making these movies when people stop paying to see them.

The only movie I was willing to see was the Mario movie and I still ended up torrenting it. Why should I go to a public theater, get ripped off at the ticket box and the food counter for some mild entertainment? Especially when I can cook up an entire meal at home and eat it in front of the TV.

Better food, more comfortable, private setting and most importantly, Cost effective. If you want to get people like me to go to a theater, the incentive better be worth it. I won’t open my wallet otherwise.

I don't think people are sick of the same old stuff. Indy flopped at the box office on the combination of a disappointing 4th movie and Disney's trend of virtue signalling over good characterization and storytelling.

The Flash has the baggage of an unlikeable lead actor, plus the DCU is still all over the place and constantly rebooted. I honestly have no idea what to expect from the Flash, given previous DCU movies.

Indiana Jones is not really a franchise film in the modern sense. It's a sequel, sure, but it comes many years after the last one and is mostly a self contained adventure. It's not like the MCU where everything builds up on what came before or teases what comes next to try to build up a larger universe. Whatever attempt there might have been to make Phoebe Waller-Bridge into the next Indiana Jones, didn't make it into the final movie.

Same for Flash, the DCU is a mess and already scheduled for a reboot. Nobody really cares about the DCU anymore, since nobody really even knows what the state of that universe is. It's just random cameos without a clear continuity and it all will be blinked out of existence in a bit anyway.

What the MCU is doing is much more interesting, as they used to have that shared universe and it was working. But what they have done in the last few years was a mess. They introduced multiverses, time travel and gods and basically ruined the own continuity they worked so hard to build up over the years. The power levels are completely out of control and it's hard to care about what is happening when everything can be multiverse'ed in and out of existence at will.

I don't think anybody will give up on franchises, the latest Batman already has a TV spinoff with The Penguin. But they hopefully will scale it back a bit and focus on making good movies first, not just endless teases of what will come next and trying to cram every cameo into the film they can think of.

Genuine question, how do you know Indians jones flipped hard ?
I went on imdb and it is rated around 7 which isn’t bad at all.

Maybe, I honestly love going to the movies but it seems the age of the generic blockbuster is done really. It's nearly all sequels or franchises. I want to wathc something not particulary groundbreaking but still interesting and not need to watch it's five previous movies.

The last movie I felt scratched that itch for me was the DnD movie which was relatively detached. I like movies like that and I wish there were more. Don't get me wrong I like a good franchise but when everything is a franchise it's maddening.

Could this be the beginning of the end for franchise films?

We can only hope.

'The Flash' and Other Mediocre Movies Won't Stop Superhero Fatigue - Variety. Fifteen years (since Iron Man), for the love of Stan! As Scorsese said, "…that’s not cinema…the closest I can think of them…is theme parks."

Fun fact: did you know that the (then) new distribution strategy invented for the iconic film The Godfather gave rise of the Blockbuster (and thus "franchise movies") and the near-death of auteur cinema?

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It’s annoying that some people are so small-minded that they only think one style of filmmaking counts as “real cinema”. Just like there are different genres of film (like comedy, horror, drama, etc.), there’s room for different styles of film as well.

Too many people seem to think that just because two things can be projected on a screen, it’s reasonable to compare them. Some also believe that one kind of film is objectively better than another.

No. Neither of those things are true.

Films provide room for a wide range of creativity, whether they’re loud, big-budget extravaganzas with broad appeal, or quiet, intimate, narrowly focused films intended for a smaller audience - or something in between.

I don’t understand why there’s even an argument about which type of film is best. If you’re like me, you enjoy several different things, depending on your mood.