The Ribbon isn't the worst thing. It tried to solve the clutter of the previous interface, although I always preferred the old one.

Here is an interesting take on the problem of modern interfaces: https://datagubbe.se/decusab/

no, I'm willing to die on the hill that the ribbon UI is one of the greatest UIs period - especially how it was done in office 07 and 10. As a computer noob at the time, it was a huge improvement over the previous office 2003 UI.

The icons always gave you a good idea what something was doing, important functions were bigger and when you for example selected a table the table tab was visible and with a different color so you knew that you could do things with that table.

I think however many 3rd party programms did the ribbon UI poorly or had not enough features for it to make sense.

I would like to see them add something like the VSCode command pallette. That way if I know the name of the tool but can't remember or don't want to go click for it, I just just type the name and fuzzy find it.

I was a moderator on the Paint.NET forums for a long while in the mid to late 00s. You would be surprised at how many questions we got about when Paint.NET would get "the new ribbon UI!"

The answer was never, incidentally.

Ohhh I have a feeling you will enjoy this video:

https://youtu.be/dKx1wnXClcI

It's about a dofferent piece of software, but still highly relevant.

I have no problems with it, so I guess I'm some sort of savant? There is such thing as good and bad UI, but I think this is a case of 'what you're used to' causing problems with 'what is.'

Probably so since jackass in a suit could double his annual bonus.

There's been a trend towards simplicity/minimalism in UX for a long time. Sometimes it works really well. Other times it makes it difficult to find things like setting preferences (or they just don't implement them because the assholes think they know better than you).

For me, MS is a mixed bag. Some of the UX changes are good, some of it is horrible.

But I love a well done minimalist UX. Obsidian and Reaper are two examples that come to mind.

I bet it's capitalism.

The answer for enshittification of the entire reality seems to always be

capitalism.

Yea, I agree that Office 2003 was the pinnacle of Office UI design. And I'd go so far as to say that about Windows 2000.

Having controls in predictable shapes and locations really contributed to "ease of use". One of my pet peeves is the more recent trend where clickable elements aren't obviously so. Such as a string of text that one has to hover across and see the cursor change shape to know that it's clickable.

As others have said, I think a significant part of why the UIs have changed since then is to accommodate touch screens and "webification".

'Glad to see your posting. I thought I was just being curmudgeonly :)