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The U.S. government’s road safety agency is again investigating Tesla’s “Full Self-Driving” system, this time after getting reports of crashes in low-visibility conditions, including one that killed a pedestrian.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says in documents that it opened the probe on Thursday with the company reporting four crashes after Teslas entered areas of low visibility, including sun glare, fog and airborne dust.

In addition to the pedestrian’s death, another crash involved an injury, the agency said.

Investigators will look into the ability of “Full Self-Driving” to “detect and respond appropriately to reduced roadway visibility conditions, and if so, the contributing circumstances for these crashes.”

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[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I purchased FSD when it was 8k. What a crock of shit. When I sold the car, that was this only gave the car value after 110k miles and it was only $1500 at most.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 62 points 1 day ago

Humans know to drive more carefully in low visibility, and/or to take actions to improve visibility. Muskboxes don't.

[-] hannesh93@feddit.org 47 points 1 day ago

They also decided to only use cameras and visual clues for driving instead of using radar, heat cameras or something like that as well.

It's designed to be launched asap, not to be safe

[-] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

I mean, that’s just good economics. I’m willing to bet someone at Tesla has done the calcs on how many people they can kill before it becomes unprofitable

[-] WheelcharArtist@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Muskboxes

like that

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[-] JIMMERZ@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago

The worst way to die would be getting hit by a shitbox Tesla. RIP.

[-] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean I'll take it over being burned alive or brutally eaten alive by a pack of ravenous wolves.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

I'll take the wolves

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Neither of those are necessarily quicker or less painful than getting hit by the car.

For some real fun, try for all three at once!

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[-] telllos@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

In five years guys!!

[-] elgordino@fedia.io 24 points 1 day ago

If anyone was somehow still thinking RoboTaxi is ever going to be a thing. Then no, it’s not, because of reasons like this.

[-] testfactor@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

It doesn't have to not hit pedestrians. It just has to hit less pedestrians than the average human driver.

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago

Exactly. The current rate is 80 deaths per day in the US alone. Even if we had self-driving cars proven to be 10 times safer than human drivers, we’d still see 8 news articles a day about people dying because of them. Taking this as 'proof' that they’re not safe is setting an impossible standard and effectively advocating for 30,000 yearly deaths, as if it’s somehow better to be killed by a human than by a robot.

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[-] elgordino@fedia.io 13 points 1 day ago

It needs to be way way better than ‘better than average’ if it’s ever going to be accepted by regulators and the public. Without better sensors I don’t believe it will ever make it. Waymo had the right idea here if you ask me.

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To be fair its marketed as full self driving, not full self no crashing

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

It sure crashed its full self

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I thought it was illegal to call it full self driving? So I thought Tesla had something new.
Apprently it's the moronic ASSISTED full self driving the article is about. So nothing new.
Tesla does not have a legal full self driving system, so why do articles keep pushing the false narrative, even after it's deemed illegal?

[-] mars296@fedia.io 16 points 1 day ago

Assisted full self driving is an oxymoron.

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