America's system is a problem.
Yeah no shit. But 2 weeks from the election isn't the time to try to fix it.
Most people that vote third party wouldn't vote otherwise. Assuming that every vote for Jill Stein would've gone to Hillary is quite the assumption. I always vote third party, so assuming my current vote for Jill Stein would've gone towards Harris instead is just dumb and wrong.
/* in countries with a broken democracy
I'll never forget what third party voting gets us; additional fucking choices beyond the dominant two-party system, encouraging broader participation. When a Republican or Democrat candidate loses any race, it's common to see them use third party candidates as a scapegoat.
Except it doesn’t. Not in presidentials anyway.
Do you vote separately for your president in the US?
In Germany we vote for Parliament, whoever receives a majority of votes then gets the governmental mandate and their candidate becomes chancellor. Many people thought there never would be any other chancellor than from either the "social" democrats (SPD) or "christian" conservatives (CDU/CSU, also just called "Union"), until 2021 when the Green Party got so good in surveys we suddenly had three official candidates.
I do know about the "electorial college" nonsense, just asking what exactly the votes are aimed to be for, government or specifically the president.
In the United States we vote for people not party. Every ballot is different depending on the year and where you live.
This November I will vote for
- President/VP
- 1 of 2 US Senate seats (the other will be voted on in 2 years)
- My US House Representative
- My State House Representative
- A county board seat
- A city commissioner
- Retention of certain judges
- A school board seat
- A board member for our water district
If I choose to do so I could vote for multiple political parties across the ballot. Which is great because I might agree with my local green party of local issues but still want to vote for Democrats nationally.
I would really like to see us remove the electoral college, implement RCV or STAR. And move towards more of a proportional representation system.
Edit: Also worth mentioning that how elections are run also depends on where you live. States actually control how their citizens elect a President, I believe 2 are using RCV this year. Some states also allow local communities to choose how they elect local officials.
Primary Election, 1st Vote: One vote per voter to decide who represents the political party for the presidential election. Presidential Election, 2nd Vote: One vote per voter to decide who becomes the US President. The Electoral College and the stupid point system allows the minority vote to win. Yes, there are more names on the ballot for local government positions too. Technically, one could mix their votes with Democrat, Republican and other party candidates on the ballot.
I prefer the German voting system because it is based on the majority vote. FYI, I am allowed to vote in both Germany and USA.
Do you vote separately for your president in the US?
Yes, because they're the president not the prime minister(which is Speaker of the House in the US)
Hey, just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.
- a terrible gambler
Ahh the illusion of choice. You vote third party and get another Trump presidency, but hey at least you got your morals, eh?
Every one so excited to back the lesser of two evils and wondering why things are the way they are
Stein wasn't even the only third party candidate stealing votes. I voted for Gary Johnson with the Libertarian party as a "protest vote". Glancing at national results, he had almost three times as many votes as Stein did.
I was 100% the moron this meme is targeted towards. I voted for Harris yesterday.
Third party voting; the really real reason Democrats and Republicans can't get their candidates elected. lol
Me too Stein in 2016. I was so mad at Clinton for what they did to Sanders. I am voting Harris as soon as voting is open here.
Bernie deserved so much better, and I fucking hate the way the 2016 democrats fucked him over.
But you aren’t a moron if you learned from your mistakes. It means the opposite.
I wish we had ranked choice voting. Then these protest votes would still work and not screw with the system so bad and we could fight the stranglehold of the two party system.
Me looking at the current state of our democracy and political system. 🤷
Electing a felon certainly can't make it worse. It is not like he is fantasizing about deploying the national guard against his own citizens.... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/17/donald-trump-enemy-within-quote/75714201007/
I voted for Harris yesterday, and I’ll be voting for Harris again tomorrow. Just kidding. Turns out the dead person whose identity I stole wasn’t registered to vote. 😞
You make jokes, but tomorrow this comment will be on FOX as proof them libs are cheating...
Well, they read it in a forum where anybody can write anything, so it must be true. They are truly the best at fair and balanced ripoartign.
Picture a situation where various political parties vie to unseat the Republicans. With more representative electoral systems, voters could select their preferred candidates, while still counting their vote against the Republican party even if their choice doesn’t win, all without the spoiler effect. Since voting methods are set at the state level, we don’t need to wait for federal reforms; some states have already enacted electoral changes. For instance, Alaska recently chose a more moderate conservative over Sarah Palin due to Ranked Choice voting.
Who would oppose having multiple opportunities to diminish Republican power? The Democratic Party would. In blue states, they could replace First Past The Post voting with a system that eliminates the spoiler effect. Yet, year after year, election after election, Democrats remain inactive on passing state level electoral reform in the states they control.
Republicans are moving to protect FPTP voting in red states. Why do the democrats want to use the voting system republicans prefer?
Its not that democrats dont know about the flaws in the voting system either. Just mention voting for a third party to any Democrat, and they’ll readily acknowledge the weaknesses of the voting system. Comments about the Green Party here will further illustrate their understanding of this issue.
If democrats understanding the problem, yet refuse to fix it, can only mean one thing. The Democrats prefer the country balancing over a fire pit of fascism rather than truly competing for our votes. They would rather this country be lost to authoritarianism then to play on a even playing field.
Party over country at all costs.
If you don’t like stein, consider voting party for socialism and liberation instead.
They’re running Claudia de la Cruz on a platform of Palestinian statehood and an end to arms shipments to israel.
I found out recently that they’re on the ballot or have official write in status in 42 states, so unless you’re in Alaska, Nevada, Montana, South Dakota, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Georgia or Pennsylvania go for it!
E: forgot Nevada. They’re not officially recognized in Nevada.
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