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So we've seen the complaints and the reports and boy oh boy are there complaints and reports.

I've discussed the account with the other mods and admins multiple times, and while we agree the volume is a lot, it doesn't point to a botfarm or multiple people using the account.

Obsessive? Absolutely, but not technically rule breaking... Until today.

Today they indescriminately posted the same story three times from three different sources apparently solely to flood the channel showing a decided lack of judgement.

It's a valid story from a valid source, the original has been kept here:

https://lemmy.world/post/21098916

The others have been removed as duplicates.

I'm also applying a 15 day temp ban on the account.

"15 days? That's oddly specific! What's in 15... OH!"

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 24 points 7 hours ago

Maybe some kind of rate limiting would work for cases like this. Anyway, i doubt we'll see that one again after the 15 days are up. At least for the next four years.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, reddit had something like that baked in, I'm not sure how lemmy could implement it.

"You are doing that too much, try again later."

It seemed to be tied to both the age of the account and the karma of the account. It varies from subreddit to subreddit.

There also seemed to be a difference if you were subscribed to the community or not.

But then we're comparing something relatively new (lemmy) to an established platform with over a decade of development too.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Sounds like a bot could do the job. Counts submissions in a rolling 24 hour period and fires a report off if someone goes over. Or it even deletes the post itself.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

For local, lemmy.world users, yeah. I think the confounding factor is federation, but like I say, I raised the issue and we have people way smarter than me!

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[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

Sounds like a great feature to request

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

I asked in our Discord. I think the limiting factor is federation. I'm not sure how it's possible to rate limit things in a federated environment.

Fortunatley we have smarter people than me around!

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[-] odelik@lemmy.today 35 points 8 hours ago

I think the bigger issue here is the indiscriminate obvious trolling.

The fact that it took "bad judgment" and not the reading between the lines for their sealioning and bad faith arguments and faux "friend" comments points towards the need for strengthening our community standards.

Allowing people to come in and troll under the guise of "I'm following the rules lolololol" makes the mods look like rubes.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago

When it comes to moderation, I'm of the opinion that it should never be a "read between the lines" interpretation. If we're going to take action as severe as a ban, it should not be open to interpretation.

For example, I remember a comment that was reported and removed for referencing the whole disingenuous question "when did you stop beating your wife?"

Reported and removed for call to violence, and I had to explain to the other mod that "no, no, they're making a point about asking disingenous questions..."

Post was restored.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago

When it comes to moderation, I'm of the opinion that it should never be a "read between the lines" interpretation. If we're going to take action as severe as a ban, it should not be open to interpretation.

The problem with this is that it allows people to ride the line of what is acceptable and get away with things that effectively poison the platform with toxicity.

It's very similar to what Trump did, and now look at the state of the entire US politics system now.

By allowing people to toe the line by not technically breaking the rules, it still adds to the overall toxicity of Lemmy.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Oh very much so, which is why I, and other mods, were paying very close attention to what they were doing.

Reports fall into two categories:

"Oh, this guy again, can we ban them yet?"

and:

"Oh, god, it's the person who reports everything..."

The weird part is in the latter case, you can't just ignore ALL their reports, no matter how much you want to, because there is that 1 in 10 chance they're right. LOL.

[-] odelik@lemmy.today 23 points 8 hours ago

Yes, but when there's literally thousands of posts and comments to build the "between the lines" data within a 30-day time frame what excuse is there?

When somebody is trolling so hard that it's causing strife within your community it should be addressed. Identify the behavior that isn't desired and enforce existing rules around it or create a new one and warn the person that they need to operate in good faith within the rules or they will be ousted as an antagonistic troll.

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[-] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 22 points 8 hours ago

Good, thank you for addressing this! I think the temporary ban is a perfect solution. I only care about this because of how close we are to the election, and this solves that problem.

[-] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

Let’s be real, it’s basically a perm ban because I sincerely doubt that dude is showing face around here after the election.

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 16 points 7 hours ago

I approve of this action and appreciate the transparency. Thank you for doing something about this individual.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 21 points 8 hours ago

The Dark Monk is going to write some erotic friend fiction about you, jordanlund.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 21 points 8 hours ago

[-] smokebuddy@lemmy.today 9 points 7 hours ago

I have mixed feelings about zombies. They're dangerous but I like their swagger

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