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cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4157628

cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4157529

James Robinson, along with Daron Acemoglu and Simon Johnson, has been awarded this year’s Nobel Prize in Economics for his research on the critical role institutions play in fostering national prosperity. In [this Q&A session]l with EL PAÍS, he explains that his work also seeks to highlight how the legacy of colonialism has impeded economic development in certain regions, particularly in Latin America and Africa.

James Robinson: [...] we make a simple division, focusing on the presence of inclusive institutions or extractive institutions. Inclusive institutions create broad incentives and opportunities for all people equally, while extractive institutions concentrate benefits and incentives in the hands of a few. Many economists say that development comes from entrepreneurship and innovation, but in reality it comes from people’s dreams, creativity and aspirations. To be prosperous, you have to create a series of institutions that can cultivate this talent. However, if you look at countries like Colombia or Nigeria, talent is wasted because people do not have opportunities.

[...]

Institutions can be an obstacle to competitiveness. However, one should consider the impact that European integration had on countries such as Spain, Portugal or the former Soviet countries. These are remarkable success stories. There has been an almost unprecedented transition. It is true that there may be too much regulation or inefficient rules, but broadly speaking the effects of European institutions has been largely positive over the past 50 years.

[...]

[Immigration] is one of the big questions we have to solve. [...] it can be difficult. It is not easy to quickly incorporate the millions of people who cross the Mediterranean [trying to reach Europe]. One of the possible ways is to help them develop in order to improve the terrible situation in their own countries. However, one of the biggest complications is that the policies recommended by Western institutions are not in tune with what is happening in these [developing] countries. At the World Bank, for example, you cannot talk about politics. How do we expect them to solve real problems when you cannot talk about them? Frankly, it doesn’t make sense. If we really want to change the world, we have to have honest conversations. I see that as a long way off.

[...]

The reality is that democratic countries have shown that they are better at managing public services and achieving rapid growth. You can find impressive examples like China among autocratic countries, but you cannot achieve an inclusive economy with an authoritarian regime and a model like the Chinese one.

[...]

I don’t think the Chinese model can continue. If you look at other authoritarian regimes, like Iran or Russia, they are incredibly weak economically and technologically. The economy cannot flourish in an authoritarian regime. Right now, technological dynamism is concentrated in one such country and in the Western world. However, one has to consider that, with Donald Trump, the institutions that have made the United States great are being seriously questioned. This could affect the context, and that is why the European Union and NATO are so important.

[...]

[Populism is linked to the growing disconnect between governments and citizens] and an example of this is Latin America. Democracy promised too much and did not always deliver. People’s lives did not change, and they sought new alternatives. There are various factors why democracy has not achieved transformations, such as clientelism and corruption. [...] Venezuela was governed in a deeply corrupt manner, and Hugo Chávez was clever in taking advantage of it. You also see this with Donald Trump, who has gone far because he realized there was widespread dissatisfaction with traditional politics. The failures of democratic institutions are real, and that is why we have to think about how to make them more empathetic to what people need.

[...]

Artificial intelligence can be wonderful, but like all technologies, it depends on how it is used. If artificial intelligence is used to create replacements for humans, that could be devastating. [...] It is all about how it is used, and that depends on our governments. I think that these decisions should not be left to the tech gurus. They only think about what makes them the most money, even if this is not related to the general well-being of society. In the case of artificial intelligence, it is very important, because it could have a tectonic impact on the world.

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[-] cyd@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago

Strangely enough, I think the CCP is a lot more of an inclusive institution than Robinson and his coauthors are happy to admit. A lot of the decisions the Chinese government makes are aimed at increasing national wealth and power. Narrow extractive behavior -- siphoning wealth away to benefit the elites -- definitely does happen in China, but not significantly more (and maybe less) than nominally democratic countries at a similar stage of development.

There's plenty of scope to dunk on the CCP, e.g. human rights. But Acemoglu/Robinson political economy framework, based on inclusive/extractive institutions, isn't the right argument for this.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 8 points 12 hours ago

Yes, exactly this - the first half of the title I was sure it was a comment on western economies.

And I do think that, we live under economic dictatorship.
When production is high enough that scarcity is only planned/artificial, and when you have (such excessive) inequality in labour compensation, it's not in the overall economical systems interest to continue such nonsense (but ofc it's in the elites, which have to constantly change and maintain the system in such a state).

[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I think it superficially seems inclusive because the overwhelming majority, over 90%, of Chinese citizens are the same ethnicity of Han Chinese.

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[-] rickdg@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

Democracy is a fundamental value, but you still have to be able to take action on big stuff. There’s a time to gather all the best information possible and a time to make an actual decision that has consequences. Unfortunately, by not taking that lead, democracies are outsourcing the big consequential stuff to undemocratic corporations.

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[-] 0x815@feddit.org 5 points 11 hours ago

In a piece published in November 2022, Nobel Economist Daron Acemoglu argues that China’s economy is rotting from the head.

For a while, [China's leader] Xi, his entourage, and even many outside experts believed that the economy could still flourish under conditions of tightening central control, censorship, indoctrination, and repression [after Xi secured an unprecedented third term (with no future term limits in sight), and stacked the all-powerful Politburo Standing Committee with loyal supporters]. Again, many looked to AI as an unprecedentedly powerful tool for monitoring and controlling society.

Yet there is mounting evidence to suggest that Xi and advisers misread the situation, and that China is poised to pay a hefty economic price for the regime’s intensifying control. Following sweeping regulatory crackdowns on Alibaba, Tencent, and others in 2021, Chinese companies are increasingly focused on remaining in the political authorities’ good graces, rather than on innovating.

The inefficiencies and other problems created by the politically motivated allocation of credit are also piling up, and state-led innovation is starting to reach its limits. Despite a large increase in government support since 2013, the quality of Chinese academic research is improving only slowly.

[...] The top-down control in Chinese academia is distorting the direction of research, too. Many faculty members are choosing their research areas to curry favor with heads of departments or deans, who have considerable power over their careers. As they shift their priorities, the evidence suggests that the overall quality of research is suffering.

Xi’s tightening grip over science and the economy means that these problems will intensify. And as is true in all autocracies, no independent experts or domestic media will speak up about the train wreck he has set in motion [...]

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

So I worked there during the mid-10s, basically when it was surging the most.

It was rotting from the everywhere back then, it just had enough core to push through. Unfortunately they balanced all the bad things on top of each other and pretended they didn't exist (most of their GDP was split between manufacturing and construction, and the latter was unsustainable).

China was one of those things that: When something went wrong, it all goes wrong.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago

that's just rehashed fukuyama

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[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago

He's right, but it can take a long time and people will suffer in the mean time. Would be nice to skip ahead.

[-] Pudutr0n@feddit.cl 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Agreed. The economy and well-being of countries definitely suffer from authoritarian regimes in the long term, but...

What about their armies?

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Libs: There is no way to avoid genocide. You must vote for genocide!

Also Libs (accepting "nobel prize in econ"): Enjoy your democracy!

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

But not too democratic because then the economy suffers amirite? Like, in the democracies, the poors must always be kept on a leash otherwise they might start getting ideas, right? RIGHT?

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz -1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

See Hong Kong circa 2019

☂️<-pretend it's yellow

[-] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 hours ago

what‘s this inclusive economy he‘s talking about?

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world -3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

OK, so show me this democracy, that had 30+ years f double digit economic growth.

I'm all for democracy, and will oppose anything else, but let's not make our ideals cloud our vision of reality.
China is not succeeding despite or because of a 1 party rule, but because they've had economic policies that stimulated growth.

Economies prefer open markets and stability and predictability, whether it's delivered by a democracy or not is probably irrelevant.
Democracies tend to be the best guarantee for the conditions that benefit economy, but China has done a very good job at it too.

[-] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 12 hours ago

So when china eventually surpasses all other countries economically and the BRICS countries prosper as a whole, will this guys ideas be disproven or will he have excuses?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

I also have hopes and dreams.

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