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[-] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 10 points 4 days ago

"I don't understand women."

Whenever someone has an issue with an SO, then extrapolates that to all women... that's a red flag to me that this guy has a lot more misogynistic views just outside the frame of view.

It is unfortunately common. Pretty much all of the guys I know IRL complain about their SOs with "Pft. Women, right?" And I'm sitting here like... No? Maybe that's just your SO? Or just your SO when they're with you?

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 9 points 4 days ago

Women and men do have a different way of thinking the majority of the time. It's about learning to cope with and deal with the other one's feeling. If you want a woman, you have to be willing to deal with woman moments. If you want a man, you have to be willing to deal with man moments. Simple. Relationships cannot be perfect.

[-] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 6 points 4 days ago

Men and women have tendencies and subculture, sure. But they're not mutually unintelligible if you make even a little effort to try and understand the other side as fundamentally human people. For example, by listening to them and taking their positions seriously (even if the specific situation does not call for believing every factual claim).

I think we mostly agree here, just with slightly different framing.

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[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago

And this case like most relationship issues comes down to insecurities and bad/non-existent communication. To which, let's face it, male socialization is a major contributor.

With stoicism and a fear of vulnerability, we're far too often standing standing in our own way.

[-] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 4 points 4 days ago

That is unfortunately the tendency for men, yeah.

[-] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Not sure why you got downvoted because I had the same reaction when I read it. This is your spouse and treating her request for divorce and obvious associated emotional distress as something related to her gender rather than the specifics of your relationship seems incredibly dismissive and misogynistic.

[-] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 4 points 4 days ago

Who knows, lol. But I'm more than happy to engage with people who disagree, so long as it remains relatively civil.

I've had plenty of gender-coded miscommunication with my wife over the years. But that's far, far outweighed by more individual differences (like neurotypical v neurodivergent, mismatched communication habits, and mismatched expectations from how we were raised. Hell even just regional differences.

And when it comes to the other married guys I know, I've provided advice (upon request) that basically boiled down to (1) you don't "win" a marriage, (2) treat her like a partner not an adversary (even if she's treating you adversarially for now), and (3) be open and vulnerable when you can. It's amazing how many of them have just... never once heard that advice from anyone else their whole life. Wild out here.

[-] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

It's not misogynistic to admit you have trouble communicating with women.

true, just be gay instead.

[-] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 3 points 4 days ago

Do you think that's what's happening (both in my example but also the OP greentext)? That they're admitting they have trouble communicating?

I could see a literal interpretation of "I don't understand women" as a standalone sentence being reasonably interpreted that way, sure. But given the context, I think that's really unlikely.

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