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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by admiralpatrick@lemmy.world to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world

Edit 2025-01-13: LW has indicated they will be clarifying these rules soon. In the mean time, the community will remain locked until those are updated and deemed acceptable.


So the LW Team put out an announcement on new, site-wide moderation policy (see post link). I've defended, to many a downvote, pretty much every major decision they've made, but I absolutely cannot defend this one. In short, mods are expected to counter pretty much every batshit claim rather than mod it as misinformation, trolling, attack on groups, etc.

My rebuttal (using my main account) to the announcement: https://dubvee.org/comment/3541322


We're going to allow some "flat earth" comments. We're going to force some moderators to accept some "flat earth" comments. The point of this is that you should be able to counter those comments with words, and not need moderation/admin tools to do so.

(emphases mine)

Me: What if, to use the recent example from Meta, someone comes into a LGBT+ community and says they think being gay is a mental illness and /or link some quack study? Is that an attack on a group or is it "respectful dissent"?

LW: A lot of attacks like that are common and worth refuting once in awhile anyway. It can be valuable to show the response on occasion


I understand what they're trying to address here (highly encourage you to read the linked post), but the way they're going about it is heavy handed and reeks of "both sides"-ing every community, removing agency from the community moderators who work like hell to keep these spaces safe and civil, and opening the floodgates for misinformation and "civil" hate speech. How this new policy fits with their Terms of Service is completely lost to me.

I'll leave the speculation as to whether Musk dropped LW a big check as an exercise to the reader.

For now, this community is going dark in protest and I encourage other communities who may disagree with this new policy to join. Again, I understand the problem that is trying to be addressed, but this new policy, as-written, is not the way to do it.

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[-] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Hell yeah! I'm with you on this one. Maybe I should start intentionally brigading communities and start spewing fascist bullshit just so they can see how dumb this rule is

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm with you in spirit, but I can't and won't endorse that kind of behavior (not even saying that to cover my ass; I'm truly against it).

However, should that occur organically (and it will), feel free to shine a "I told you so" spotlight onto it.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 0 points 2 weeks ago

They're literally just asking mods to wield their power like a surgical scalpel and not a cudgel and actually do more than see a triggering keyword or phrase and instantly dropping the ban hammer based on a knee-jerk reaction.

Someone who is misinformed saying something that is incorrect doesn't mean they should be banned for spreading misinformation. There has to be intent behind it.

Someone saying they wish so and so would drop dead shouldn't instantly warrant a ban for "inviting violence" if it's not an actual, credible, serious call for organized violence.

I don't really expect that shit to change, regardless. Most people who create a community, volunteer to moderate or even administrate a whole ass server, do so because they want to set the rules and run things their way.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

So you (self-admittedly maining on another instance (in reality the admin of that instance)) are locking an entire community on LW in protest of their admin policy on their instance? That's bold, to put it mildly. You instance-ban users for downvoting, so it makes sense you find this change personally unreasonable.

Myself? I don't think the new change is a great idea, but I prefer it to short-fuse blanket bannings like that.

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago

Damn calling em out on their own community. Thats almost as funny as it is bold.

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 weeks ago

Move the community to a different Instance?

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[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Tl;dr

But: Yes, we need more respectful dissent.

There are so many people who no longer talk to people who think differently. I don't know whether it's cowardice or whether they've simply never learned to do so, or for whatever reason.

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[-] asudox@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 weeks ago

Why not just migrate to another instance? Have you forgotten that we are in the fediverse? This is a good opportunity to move communities to other instances.

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

I explained that in another comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/14408131

[-] Dupree878@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

It’s not that easy for some of us. I’m using the voyager app on iOS. Otherwise I have no idea or technical knowledge to get on Lemmy. I don’t know how to change instances and keep what I’ve subscribed to

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[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago

I'll leave the speculation as to whether Musk dropped LW a big check as an exercise to the reader.

And u call the right wingers the conspiracy theorists. Musk could not give 2 fucks about lemmy.

The lw admins have realised to compete as a platform in the marketplace if ideas u cannot censor ideas. Musk made the first move meta has been forces to follow as so is lemmy.

Why are u so concerned that u can be held accountable for any authoritarian censorship u may partake in?

Also i dare u to delete this comment.

[-] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Is having a site-wide policy controlling who gets to "respectfully disagree" not a control of speech?

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago

Rhink before typibg please. Ur objectivly wrong.

  1. It doesnt control who gets to respectfully disagree it grants everyone that liberty (u included)

  2. Its not a control of speach its a control of moderators ability to control speach

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[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

"Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative."

It looks extremely reasonable to be honest

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