Trump threatens to blow apart entire G7 to protect Putin (www.thedailybeast.com)

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Summary

Trump is pushing for softer language on Russia’s war in Ukraine, straining G7 unity.

Officials say the U.S. is blocking references to "Russian aggression" and prefers calling it the "Ukraine conflict."

This shift follows Trump's peace talks with Putin that excluded Ukraine's President Zelensky, whom Trump later called a "dictator."

The change in rhetoric contrasts with Biden-era support for Ukraine and threatens a unified G7 stance.

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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Do what they did to Russia, kick the US the fuck out and start calling it the G6. It was the G8 from 1997 to 2014, they can stand to lose another.

The US is literally trying to kickstart an economic depression in the US. Why the fuck would you want these guys in economics talks when they clearly understand FUCK ALL about economics? A US depression will fuck up the rest of the world's economics as well, and that's clearly the long-term goal.

[-] Nay@feddit.nl 1 points 4 months ago

If I recall correctly, it's about destabilizing the Dollar and making their (China and Russia's) financial system become the world standard...

It all comes down to money. It always does.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

"The US" isnt doing anything. Trump and his scumbags are destroying everything.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

When Trump does something, the party that controls House, Senate and Supreme court follows his marching orders, the richest and most influential individuals act as his lieutenants, almost half of the country agree with it, and the other half doesn't resist or strike, then YES! THE US DOES THE THING!

The Nazis didn't have 100% popular support in Germany. They didn't have 50% active supporters. They had 10% party membership, even though non-members couldn't enter a career in many fields, were harassed by authorities, and lots of people were entered into the party automatically.
Still, it was NAZI GERMANY.

[-] SilentKettle@lemmy.wtf 2 points 4 months ago

It's almost as if he works for Putin

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Maybe he does.

Maybe Putin's colleagues found out something interesting about Trump back in the days, and made him an offer he could not refuse - "go and become King of America, we'll even help you a little, but you'll serve us".

Wild speculation, of course. But he definitely doesn't have national interest burdening his mind in any way or manner.

P.S. If I worked in the Secret Service, I would use my telescope to watch birds fly and tree leaves wobble. Even if there was a remote weapons station turning towards my client, or a wire guided object coming in - I would hardly notice until impact.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago

Advocating for murder is… questionable at best.

[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago

Its almost as if he wants america out of a war as quickly as possible.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 1 points 4 months ago

Which war is America in, currently?

[-] FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Class war is the only real one.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

SO YOU AGREE that Putin should leave the country they wrongfully invaded and pay for the rebuild to ensure peace.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago

That’s not how the world works. Might makes right.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

SO YOU AGREE that Putin and Russia need their fucking asses kicked back to the stone age and Russia broken up again.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago

Actually I’d argue the US and the EU have had their fair share of invasions and aggressions.

Regardless, if you want Ukraine to win, other countries must joint the war, Ukraine can’t win by itself.

[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

If America is at war via Ukraine then by the same logic it is committing genocide in Gaza.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

American here: make it the G6. I am 100% serious. Trump is not your friend, and the rest of our fucking government is demonstrably inept in the extreme in terms of resisting this fascist takeover.

[-] bruhssa@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I'd love to ask all of the MAGA heads to just question themselves this: Why go through all of this just to help Putin. Some fucked up shit must go on that Trump risks all of this just for Putin.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

Same reason the US helps Israel?

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The US helps Israel because they like the US more than the rest of the middle east and the US wants control of the middle east so Iran doesn't control it as a proxy for Russia.

So the US supports Isreal to hurt Russian interests. And is now diverting all Ukraine funds to Isreal to waste the money.

Under Biden we were on track to steal Palestine as a reaction to Putin stealing parts of Ukraine.

Now that Putin has Ukraine he doesn't care about distracting the US through Iran and is fine having his puppet Trump keep sending their tax dollars to Isreal.

But since Trump is giving up Ukraine it is more of a trade where the US trades control of Ukraine for control of Palestine.

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

joe biden himself said if isreal wouldnt exist, america would need to create a proxy there to control the region.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

This just in, the known russian puppet, trump, is a russian puppet.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 points 4 months ago

Kick the US out. If our democracy survives Trump, you can always readmit us when we have a president who acts in good faith. Otherwise, this shit is only going to get worse...

[-] towelie@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Unfortunately it's likely going to take more than just electing a nice guy for USA to earn back its status as a trustworthy ally. When the country can just go rogue every four years, making threats against allies and backing out of agreements — and half of the country is so nationalist that they applaud it — you can't really establish a basis of trust.

[-] Docus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

G6 it is then. After NATOTWO is set up

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

it increases the number of people that want to blow up america every day. i bet americans abroad will have a hard time getting food in foreign countries where the cook did not spit on it.

[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Someone take that orange fuck out, please.

[-] Redditsux@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

You are better than that. Don't stoop to their level or you become like them.

[-] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago

I've always wondered why so many people peacefully marched into the trains, trucks, and death camps, then I see the sheer amount of people like you who say that and remember why. Maybe it's a personality thing, some of us who are faced with annihalation vs annihalation with a fight, we choose the latter. Most people will just take annihalation peacefully out of fear or laziness.

[-] Redditsux@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Your words isn't "action for change". These are nothing but empty internet barks. Are you saying you're ready to commit violence? I don't think so. Too many barkers but in reality nobody are biters. So save the empty words. Fascism is right in your face. In your neighborhood. What are you doing about it?

[-] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago

It's less about being ready to commit violence, and more like willing to die or lose all my freedoms for my beliefs. Tried doing things the peaceful, in-the-system way, working charities for blind people, deaf children, as well as various environmental causes. Got pretty high up in all of them, high up enough to learn that every roadblock to getting people medical aid, more blind people-friendly infastructure, cochlear implants for children, or utilizing cutting edge alternatives to oil and plastic using fruit waste and algae, every time it's the millionaire/billionaire investor class that can't see any profit incentive to helping people. I show up to pitifully occupy sidewalks regularly, I even take off work and take the financial hit if there are any demonstrations in my area. In August during the pogroms in the UK, I helped protect a mosque and got bricks thrown at me, hurt like a mofo but i'd take a million more. Helped nice young college girls get medical after getting bricks hurled at the heads and faces by fascists, meanwhile the cops did nothing but stand with their backs faced to the brick throwers, watching us get pelted with bricks and fireworks. None of this makes me even close to as radicalized as the fact that humans produce 3x the calories to feed every person on the planet yet we still charge money for food, and while there's all these problems that need resources there's $36 TRILLION sitting in offshore tax havens (as of 2016 according to the IMF).

I'm not willing to do violence, i'm willing to do anything even risk my life to stop them. I'd rather be smiling in front of a firing squad than peacefully obeying a soldier at gunpoint as he marches me to the camps. Perhaps you're just not that guy.

[-] Redditsux@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Stop typing. Start doing. More action. Less typing keyboard warrior. My engagement with you ends here.

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Blow it apart. America doesn't belong with its former Allies.

Its clear that America has no interest in being apart of the free world, they checked out.

Now fuck off and go destroy yourselves in a frenzy over transgender bathroom doors and eggs. The rest of us still have lives to live and futures to protect.

[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

So making peace with russia is destroying the free world, but letting Ukraine and russia have a forever war isn't?

[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Appeasement doesn't work. We know that from WWII.

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[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

Suppose it depends which propaganda machine you listen to.

[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Real people in Ukraine telling their actual first hand account stories of what Russian soldiers did is not a 'propaganda machine'.

Reality doesn't care about what people are saying. It matters what people are doing. The people who suffered and died because of Hitler and Putin are all real people who were real victims.

[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

You make pretty words and it makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Just be glad you don't live in Ukraine as National Public Radio has some grim first hand stories as to what Putin's invasion was like for civilians.

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/30/1093339262/ukraine-russia-rape-war-crimes

[Accounts of alleged sexual violence coming out of Ukraine in recent weeks have been grim. A woman raped repeatedly by a Russian soldier after her husband was killed outside Kyiv. A mother of four gang raped by Russian soldiers in Kherson. The body of a Ukrainian woman found dead — naked and branded with a swastika. A woman raped by a Russian commander on the day tanks entered the village of Kalyta.

The number of reports that have emerged since the start of the war in late February suggests that rape in Ukraine at the hands of Russian soldiers may be widespread...]

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Kick us out, Trump is not in the G7 to do anything but fuck it up. Being a self interested stakeholder is normal but he's not self interested. He is clearly under Putin's influence.

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