Yeah I agree, they are but I guess what I'm trying to get at is in day to day conversation I use "programming language" as a term for compiled languages hence "real" and "scripting language" for scripting languages. I never say "real" in conversation, just in the context of this post and as I mentioned it's not to say scripting languages aren't good languages, just how I separate them. Your distinction is much better in more comparative dialog such as this