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[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At this point you really need to define what a "war" is because all you're doing is dancing around without having to actually stake any claim to an argument. Instead of getting indignant at people drawing conclusions from what you DO say, make the substance of your opinion known so it can be examined and criticized openly.

Explain what the difference is between having your military attack another country and a "congress didn't say it's a war but it's really a war".

[-] Bernie2028@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

At this point you really need to define what a “war” is

"a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state"

Key word, "between." You can't have a war if no one declares war.

[-] eatmyass@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Two states fighting against each other for the other state’s territory or resources is not a war unless they declare war?

[-] Bernie2028@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Mexico wouldn't be fighting back in this case (which is obviously bad, I'm just speaking semantically).

[-] eatmyass@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Right, but we’re just talking in the abstract. You have a definition of war, I’m asking if there is a conventional war, one state opposing another site, trying to gain the other’s resources or territory - you don’t consider this a war unless both countries explicitly declare war on the other?

[-] Bernie2028@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

you don’t consider this a war unless both countries explicitly declare war on the other?

An invasion sure, but not technically a war.

[-] eatmyass@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Ok, then I guess I have no response. I disagree, but I doubt either of us is going to convince the other. I will just say, if something is functionally a war I believe it should be considered a war, regardless of if the parties to the conflict are calling it that.

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I’m curious if you extend that to the Russia-Ukraine conflict too…

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