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Trump Announces Press Conference to Prove Election Was Stolen – Rolling Stone
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Isn’t doubling down on this with the indictment in hand especially stupid? Surely opening him to further charges?
And what, exactly, has he faced in terms of consequences for anything during his 77 years on this rock? There is pretty much zero chance he sees any jail time and he's well aware of this. So what has he got to loose? Might as well stir up shit in prep for a Jan 6 v2 in 2025.
Thankfully I don't think the stupid windbag has another 15 years in him.
Well Desantis kind of blew his shot at the brass ring by biting the Mouse that feeds, but I get what you mean - there are certainly smarter people who are paying attention to the political zeitgeist who can ride that populism and know how to seize the levers of power with it. In particular I'm worried about a police force that leans rightwing and has been getting drip fed the runoff from the MIC for the last several decades.
This is me tinfoil hatting here, but I think part of the reason that the old guard republicans fall in line with the new alt-righters so easily is because they both know about all the shit that goes on behind closed doors and that if one sinks, they all go down. People easily forget that way back during the 2016 elections, Russia got into the RNC servers right alongside the DNC and while everyone was yelling about the DNC leaked files, suddenly lots of Republicans were loathe to talk about Donald's blatant ties and they all got right behind him as the nominee. The eight Republican senators' visit in 2018, on the 4th of July no less, to Kremlin officials to "foster relations with the Russian government" when the investigation into Russian interference was in full swing. The fact that alt-right Congressmen led a tour of government buildings days before Jan 6. And they all tried to downplay just how fucking close we came to a successful coup. Had Pence gotten in that car and left the building, I think the experiment would have been over, and the only reason he didn't was probably because he thought he was going to get Epstein'd - I don't care what he says about Trump now, they were chanting 'Hang Mike Pence' outside and he was shitting himself, and he knows how quickly they'll eat their own. All the driver would have had to do would be to drive towards the crowd and unlock the doors. I don't believe for a second he's got America's best interests at heart. But his fear nonetheless kept the transfer of power intact, even if now we can no longer count on it being peaceful.
He's already set up his base to think the charges are fraudulent. Any additional charges will just compound their irrational beliefs.
I don't see how this isn't a brazen attempt to taint the jury pool. If he has evidence exonerating him he just needs to present it in court.
It's like every time Trump opens his mouth, he shows us his taint....
Absolutely. Stupid is as stupid does. The narcissist can't help himself, especially after drowning in his own Kool-aid. Hopefully the judge will revoke his bail and incarcerate him until trial, you know, like how any other defendant would be. Please! Prove to us that there's no separate treatment for the rich, even an ex-president! This is what we need!
Yep. It’s stupid shit like this that got him indicted in the first place.
"I'd love to show you the report, it's beautiful, and perfect, and it shows in so many ways how I'm innocent of all charges. My lawyers wept when they, true story! My lawyers were VISIBLY WEEPING as they read it. VISIBLY! But now, on the advice of those lawyers, I can't release it to you. I CAN'T! I want to, but I can't. They tell me it would tell these evil, nasty, prosecutors too much about our defense, so, you know, we can't have that."
Not further charges but it can be referenced to furthering the conspiracy for the RICO charges. Overall that is a hard case to figure out though.
RICO charges in Georgia are far easier to prove than federal RICO charges.
Sure, but first amendment issues and generally proving something is not sincerely held seems difficult to me. The former is something appeals courts will decide while the latter is something a jury will decide.
"First Amendment issues" is a non starter and a Trump lawyer talking point. As Judge Chutkan so aptly said, "Mr. Trump, like every American, has a First Amendment right to free speech, but that right is not absolute." There are lots of kinds of speech which are illegal all by themselves. With respect to a RICO case, when acts of speech are "overt actions in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy," even otherwise benign speech can be illegal. Conspiring to commit a crime, and taking overt action to further that conspiracy, is a crime all by itself, even if the crime being conspired does not come to fruition.
Whether or not the conspirators' "sincerely held belief" was that "the election was stolen" is irrelevant. If that is what you sincerely believe, there are already legal procedures to deal with that; take your case(s) to court. Which the Trump team did, with zero success. Just because you don't like the outcome does not make doing an end run around the law and conspiring to change election outcomes in illegal ways "suddenly legal."
Someone bet him he couldn’t get to 100 indictments by Wednesday, and he said, “hold my diet Coke!”
I don't think he knows what next week means.