No one feels safe in Zionist Australia (theshot.net.au)

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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago

Sorry, but it really feels like you're minimising genocide here, by suggesting the wide-spread censorship of anti-genocide voices in our media is not a serious problem.

[+] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don't think it's a genocide tbh

Oct 7th on the other hand:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the_7_October_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t think it’s a genocide tbh

Ok, so we've got genocide denial coming in right here.

Basically every reputable expert disagrees with you.

Meanwhile, your best source can't even be called anything more than "allegations".

And even if Israel isn't committing genocide, they're undoubtedly creating apartheid conditions and regularly committing war crimes including targeting medics and journalists. And they're the country with all the power in this situation. We rarely look at the harm caused by black South Africans, or by 1910s–1920s Irish republicans, or American revolutionaries, and say that they were equally as bad as their oppressors.

I feel bad for the innocent Jewish Australians who are being targeted by attacks. I really do. But a significant part of the blame lies on Israel for drumming up anger towards Jews by its deliberate attempts to conflate antisemitism with antizionism, giving genuine antisemites a convenient shield to hide behind. And also with many of the more vocal prominent members of the Australian Jewish community for taking Israel's side and helping share their propagandistic outlook.

[+] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago

have cited statements by senior Israeli officials that may indicate an “intent to destroy” Gaza’s population in whole or in part, a necessary condition for the legal threshold of genocide to be met

Yikes. You somehow think that statement plays in your favour‽ Intent is a necessary legal prerequisite to genocide. But it's not sufficient. You have to actually effect the death, relocation, or separation from their culture of a significant percentage of the targeted group. No reasonable person could claim that Hamas has done that, even if they may have the desire to do so.

This is what the whole area would look like if Hamas had their way

You mean Hamas, the militant organisation that was backed by Netanyahu specifically because Israel wanted to destabilise Palestine? That Hamas?

If Hamas wants less Palestinian deaths they are free to fight the IDF on the battlefield and prevent their citizens from dying instead of hiding in schools, hospitals, homes and cafes

Ooh. Love it. "It's not war crimes because that child was Hamas. Totally. We swear." Fuck off with that bullshit. You are an evil fucking bastard, trying to justify the wholesale slaughter of thousands of people whose only "crime" was pushing back against decades of severe oppression.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

Realised you weren't getting the 3aw reaction you were hoping for?

[-] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -5 points 2 weeks ago

Nah I've done internet arguments since like 2001 back on overclockers australia and whirlpool and about 10 years ago decided that it's mainly a waste of time, so I have a hard line with myself not to carry these arguments on, really not that interested in it anymore, I avoided looking at this thread 100 times but it got me on the 101st (that's my fault)

I really wish coding gave the same dopamine spikes as arguing on the internet did... (anyway, back to coding)

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Why would you want to carry on arguments wherein you're defending genocide. That's what I don't understand. What do you get out of that?

[-] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -1 points 2 weeks ago

Why would you want to carry on arguments

Because I get a lot more entertainment out of arguing instead of agreeing? Isn't this common?

If you want me to just agree with you feel free to post some anti russia pro ukraine/pro west threads and I'll give you a solid uptoot and be on my way

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So you support people defending their home when it's Ukraine, but not when it's Palestinians? What's the difference?

You're no better than the tankies whose support is the reverse of yours. They support aggressive imperialism in eastern Europe, you support it in the Middle East. It's an ideological nonsense position.

Also

I get a lot more entertainment out of arguing instead of agreeing [with genocide]

Are you seriously just defending genocide because it's fun? That's sick. You're not well.

[-] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -4 points 2 weeks ago

You noticed I left out the genocide mention but didn't pickup on why, you are free to read my original response to you back at the beginning

Anyway detaching from this whole thread now

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's a genocide.

Israel's Genocide on Occupied Palestine

De-Gaza: A Year of Israel’s Genocide and the Collapse of World Order - Euro-Med Monitor Report see Chapter 2 and 3

Our first-hand observations of the medical and humanitarian catastrophe inflicted on Gaza are consistent with the descriptions provided by an increasing number of legal experts and organizations concluding that genocide is taking place in Gaza.

Doctors Without Borders: Life in the death trap that is Gaza

It examines the killing of civilians, damage to and destruction of civilian infrastructure, forcible displacement, the obstruction or denial of life-saving goods and humanitarian aid, and the restriction of power supplies. It analyses Israel’s intent through this pattern of conduct and statements by Israeli decision-makers. It concludes that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

Amnesty: Israel's Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza Revealed Through Evidence and Analysis Video and Israel/Occupied Palestinian Territory: ‘You Feel Like You Are Subhuman’: Israel’s Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza Report

On 26 January 2024, the ICJ said that it was plausible that Israel had breached the Genocide Convention. As an emergency measure, it ordered Israel ensure that its army refrained from genocidal acts against Palestinians.

The ICJ reported, as part of its decisions in March and May, that the situation in Gaza had deteriorated and that Israel had failed to abide by its order in January.

Israel's war on Gaza: What the international courts have said

So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three — that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, “a death sentence.” So, we’re seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.

“A Textbook Case of Genocide”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal Decries Israel’s Assault on Gaza

More than 800 scholars of international law and genocide have signed a public statement arguing that the Israeli military may be committing genocidal acts against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as the total siege and relentless airstrikes continue to inflict devastation on the occupied territory.

800+ Legal Scholars Say Israel May Be Perpetrating 'Crime of Genocide' in Gaza

An independent United Nations expert warned Monday that "Israel's genocidal violence risks leaking out of Gaza and into the occupied Palestinian territory as a whole" as Western governments, corporations, and other institutions keep up their support for the Israeli military, which stands accused of grave war crimes in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

UN Expert Says Impunity for Israel Must End as 'Genocidal Violence' Spreads to West Bank

Our documentation encompasses over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.

Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated

I, Lee Mordechai, a historian by profession and an Israeli citizen, bear witness in this document to the situation in Gaza as events are unfolding. The enormous amount of evidence I have seen, much of it referenced later in this document, has been enough for me to believe that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian population in Gaza. I explain why I chose to use the term below. Israel’s campaign is ostensibly its reaction to the Hamas massacre of Oct. 7, 2023, in which war crimes and crimes against humanity were committed within the context of the longstanding conflict between Israelis and Palestinians that can be dated back to 1917 or 1948 (or other dates). In all cases, historical grievances and atrocities do not justify additional atrocities in the present. Therefore, I consider Israel’s response to Hamas’ actions on Oct. 7 utterly disproportionate and criminal.

Bearing Witness to the Israel-Gaza War by Lee Mordechai

Others: AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC

In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video

this post was submitted on 07 Feb 2025

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