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‘Mass theft’: Thousands of artists call for AI art auction to be cancelled
(www.theguardian.com)
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Photography, as opposed to painting, can't either. Part of the art of photography is dealing with the fact that you cannot control certain things. And yes a complete noob can get absolutely lucky and generate something absolutely stunning and meaningful by accident.
Personally I vibe much more with definitions of art that revolve around author intentionality on the one side, and impact on the human mind on the other and AIs, so far, don't have intentionality neither can they appreciate human psychology or perception so there's really no such thing as "AI art" it's "Humans employing AI as a tool, just as they employ brushes and cameras", and the question of whether a piece created with help of AI is art or craft or slop or any combination of those is up to the human factor, no different than if you used some other tool.
So in my mind that auction is just as valid as one that focuses on photography. There's a gazillion photographs made daily that aren't art, and those don't get auctions, just as deluges of stuff that AI generated doesn't make it to that point. It's still about that "special something" and being a materialist doesn't mean you need to reject it: It is recognised by a very material computer right there in your head. It's hard to pin down, yes, if it was easy to pin down it wouldn't be art but craft.
The university I went to had an unusually large art department for the state it was in, most likely because due to a ridiculous chain of events and it's unique history, it didn't have any sports teams at all.
I spent a lot of time there, because I had (and made) a lot of friends with the art students and enjoyed the company of weird, creative people. It was fun and beautiful and had a profound effect on how I look at art, craft and the people who make it.
I mention this because I totally disagree with you on the subject of photography. It's incredibly intentional in an entirely distinct but fundamentally related way, since you lack control over so many aspects of it- the things you can choose become all the more significant, personal and meaningful. I remember people comparing generative art and photography and it's really... Aggravating, honestly.
The photography student I knew did a whole project as part of her final year that was a display of nude figures that did a lot of work with background, lighting, dramatic shadow and use of color, angle and deeply considered compositions. It's a lot of work!
I don't mean here to imply you're disparaging photography in any way, or that you don't know enough about it. I can't know that, so I'm just sharing my feelings about the subject and art form.
A lot of generative art has very similar lighting and positioning because it's drawing on stock photographs which have a very standardized format. I think there's a lot of different between that and the work someone who does photography as an art has to consider. Many of the people using generative art as tools lack the background skills that would allow them to use them properly as tools. Without that, it's hard to identify what makes a piece of visual art not work, or what needs to be changed to convey a mood or idea.
In an ideal world, there would be no concern for loss of employment because no one would have to work to live. In that world, these tools would be a wonderful addition to the panoply of artistic implements modern artists enjoy.
And that's not precisely the same for AI... why? Why are the limited choices in photography significant, personal, and meaningful, but not the limited choices people make when generating pictures?
Yes. Because the majority of stuff is generated without much intentionality, by amateurs, or both -- but so are most photographs, they just don't ever even get analysed in the context of being art or not because their purpose is to be external memory, not art. And arguably most AI generated stuff should not get analysed in the context of being art.
But that doesn't mean that you can't control lightning, or that someone who does have a sufficiently deep understanding both of the medium of pictures in general, as well as the tool that is AI, would not, at some point, look at what's on the screen and ask themselves "Do I want different lightning". Maybe you do, Maybe you don't. Like, there's a reason there's standard lightning setups, not every work has to be intentional about that particular aspect.
And maybe you want different lighting but the model you use doesn't provide that kind of flexibility -- when you say "still life" it insists on three-point lighting because it thinks one implies the other just as "mug" implies "handle". You can then go ahead and teach it about different lighting setups, "this is an example of backlight, this of frontlight, this is three-point", and, with some skill and effort, voila, now "still life with backlighting" works. There absolutely is intent in that. Speaking of models that can do that, here's usage instructions for one that does.
You make a compelling and very interesting point here. I'm still l considering it, because it's provoked a lot of thought for me. Once I feel like I can definitely make an argument against or in favor of your point, I'll get back to you.
Well done, I love intelligent discussions like this so much, I really missed them when my online communities started decaying. The pursuit of truth is so much fun!