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The AfD is only second strongest party. Also, no matter what anyone says. The real winners are the leftist party who got 8.7%.
I'm fairly far left but the strong LINKE might actually fuck us over pretty hard. They are strong enough that they’re able to block increased defense spending together with the AfD in a time where increased national and European security might just be our most existential issue.
Does Germany have some rules that defence spending requires a 2/3rds supermajority or something? Linke and AfD cannot stop anything on their own if a simple majority is required. The Union and SPD have a slim majority between them, and add the Greens and you've got an extremely strong majority.
The only way the conservatives get the funding for increased arms manufacturing is by disabling/changing something about the debt ceiling.
Debt ceiling is in the basic law (constitution), which requires a 2/3 majority to be altered.
Linke are against the debt ceiling in general, but not if it's only disabled for military spending while still preventing investments in public infrastructure. I think with a bit of diplomacy and concessions in the wording, Linke can be persuaded here.
Edit: Or Merz can just say he doesn't want to change anything about the debt brake, OK. Saves him from negotiating anything I guess. Maybe the billions he needs will just fall out of the sky then.
Edit2: Quite the heel-turn. So they just announced that SPD and CDU want to reform the debt brake. They plan to reach the 2/3rds needed by... rushing it through before the new parliament forms. This means they do not need to negotiate with Die Linke, but with the Greens. Quick reminder that the last government, which included the greens, collapsed because CDU wouldn't help reform the debt brake. Either be forever known as spineless suckers (like the SPD) or be the ones blamed for the fall of Ukraine, no good options for the greens here.
Oh yeah I've heard some commentators talking about the debt brake before, and how some are pushing to do away with it. It didn't occur to me that military spending would specifically be the sticking point there.
Probably most of those voters voted SPD or die Grüne before but lost trust. Happened in Belgium too...
Yep. SPD lost way more to Union and AfD, though, and the Greens got out of this whole thing relatively unscathed, they have a quite stable basis.
Fun fact: Die Linke gained more voters from CDU and FDP than they lost to the AfD.
switching from a socialist party to afd seems wild to me but ok
Protest voters be protest voting. Unless what they want is actually achieved they'll start hopping from party to party, usually in the direction of "this will be the greater middle finger to the establishment". It's people who think that kicking their car when it doesn't start will fix it.
Its exactly like this. Most of their voters came from these two parties.
In Belgium they also pulled votes from the far right, though.
that's just people who want change but don't know what to vote so they just vote for whichever populist politician screams harder
Because the right-wing CDU/CSU has won and the right-wing AfD is right behind it? These are the fruits of 16 years of Merkel with "We can do it". It started with her migration policy etc. and the attacks increased but only at times when they wanted to overturn laws or introduce new ones.
This moved the population to the right. (We can do it... Making Germany right-wing again < that's how it should have been understood!) So the AfD happen to be former CDU/CSU voters... Germany gave up its sovereignty yesterday.
Democracy is broken!
The "we can do it" part wasn't the problem, the problem was not backing it up with enough funds for states and municipalities to actually do a proper job. Which is a can of worm of fiscal politics if there ever was one because the reason the states are broke is because the wealth tax got suspended back in 1997. Kohl era shit.
The problem was that Merkel contributed everything to the division. She wanted destability etc. What is the best way to get a country to the right? You flood it with refugees with the aim of dividing it "we can do it" did not refer to managing the refugee situation... ( DE has helped itself that there are so many refugees at all ) But a party can hardly say "we are do it to dismantle democracy in order to impose our own will".
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SGD2q2vewzQ
I'm schizotypal, I know paranoid narratives when I see them. Get a grip. Touch some grass. Less consumption, more actual engagement with politics. Join Die Linke.
The video was 15 years ago lol. All the surveillance systems etc. that were implemented afterwards for spy citizen.. You could also look at Snowden etc. again. It's people like you why it's getting worse. But the main thing is to hide your head in the sand so you don't notice anything, right?
Dude I was in the fray, on the ground, when the Pirates were founded. And I wasn't talking about the video when calling shit paranoid, didn't even watch it.
Oh, so you belong to the faction that discredits others as aluhut carriers and then years later is completely surprised when the whole shit is suddenly reality. One of the main reasons why it turns out so shitt( And why others started to think the pirates just sucks, because in addition to the kindergarten within the party, voters like you were added. Really, thanks for the shit!) Thank you for trampling on civil rights etc.
Again, paranoia. You should have a look at that. Maybe compare the privacy situation here in Europe with how things work in the US.
You'd better inform yourself... But definitely a friend of state trojans, backdoors, VDS, dragnet investigations, the new data goldmine ePa where Alphabet meta etc. can get access to all health data on German citizens for a small fee, etc. It's an endlessly long list. But oh, you don't care about all that because they are facts... otherwise you would only have to look for changes in the law etc in the last 15-20 years and the dates...
Face recognition etc. is of course also included.
Have fun in your bubble
Try to obsessively follow trails of positive news for a week or so. Not to make that stance your own, just to have a contrast. Can't triangulate shit with only one reference point.
Have fun in your imaginary utopia bubble.
Not directly. The biggest group of AfD Voters are former non voters. But in terms of voters who migrated to the AfD the biggest group can from the CDU.