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[-] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

...and leftists know that the "abortion debate" is culture warfare injected into the less-educated by billionaires to distract from class warfare.

[-] MrGeekman@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

I was just using that as an example.

Another great one is immigration. Liberals thinks conservatives want to restrict immigration because they hate foreigners. Conservatives want to stop immigration because the job market sucks and has sucked since 2008.

[-] whereisk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The reason why the job market sucks is that unions got defanged and international capital movement freed from the 80s onwards.

That’s why life for working people took 3 steps backwards compared to our parents and grandparents who could buy a house, go on holidays and have a boat on a factory wage. While we are going to have trillionaires soon and the only thing that’s cheaper is the fuel of capitalism: telecoms and wages.

The problem has never been another wage earner - the problem is pitting us against each other and us taking the bait.

[-] MrGeekman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I agree with you on the unions, but the other issue is that a lot of jobs have been outsourced over the years. Unfortunately, those jobs probably aren't coming back.

[-] whereisk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Well yes, but how did we get here? The same forces that brought us are still working to keep wage slavey alive and well.

Free movement of capital, weakened unions and ceaseless propaganda pitting people against each other (welfare queens, immigrants are taking your jobs, eating the cats and dogs, work harder and you’ll be rich too, these other people are lazy, stupid, bad genes, wrong religion, the rich are better/smarter than you etc) - that’s how that happened.

There’s only one enemy and it’s not other wage earners.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To consolidate posts:

Liberals on the other hand, think pro-lifers are misogynists who want to ban abortion because banning it will hurt women and because they want to make the country more like The Handmaid’s Tale.

None of their stated reasons against abortion hold any water. There are clear ways to reduce abortion, such as comprehensive sex education and widespread availability of birth control. Since conservatives obviously are against those things, we can only conclude their reasons are bullshit. Cruelty fits the data perfectly.

Conservatives want to stop immigration because the job market sucks and has sucked since 2008.

Except there is no real link between those two, and even economics framed in conservative terms disproves it. Labor generates profit, which should mean every new worker adds to the economy, not takes away. That is, the resources they use (food, housing, etc.) are offset by the extra resources they produce in their work. There is not some fixed amount of labor the economy can have, and anything beyond that is parasitic overflow.

So again, if the stated reasons are clearly bullshit, then we are left with a question of why they're doing it, anyway. Cruelty fits the data perfectly.

this post was submitted on 11 Feb 2025
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