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Conservative lawmakers and activists are pushing to overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, the 2015 Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage. Liberty Counsel’s Mat Staver declared, "It’s just a matter of when."

Some legislators, like Oklahoma Senator David Bullard, are introducing bills to challenge the ruling, while Justices Thomas and Alito have signaled interest in reconsidering it.

Though most Americans support same-sex marriage, the court’s conservative shift is concerning.

The 2022 Respect for Marriage Act ensures federal recognition but does not prevent states from restricting same-sex marriage if Obergefell is overturned.

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[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not sure how to respond to any of your questions. Does the fact that my argument looks like propaganda to you invalidate the argument? Should I have not touched on homophobia at all, despite it being relevant?

As for leftist cred, I've said it elsewhere but I'd consider myself only about 50% leftist, and <50% liberal. Sorry to disappoint.

I don't really understand what's small-minded. It's small-minded to say you don't have the right to raise children if you can't conceive them? I would think small-mindedness is normally associated with not thinking critically, but given that I changed my mind after -- ah sorry, that will sound like propaganda again. I'm not sure how to argue here.

Btw, I'm not okay with project 2025, and I am sure that they will do only harm here. But Hitler painted dogs, and I won't condemn painting dogs. I'm not going to back down from my belief that the adoption industry is harmful just because project 2025 wants to end adoption. I don't even want to see adoption ended entirely, as I said; so yeah I don't agree with project 2025 even in this area. Do I sound less like propaganda now? Or does trying to sound less like propaganda only make it worse.

Edit: Ah, I get it now. You are annoyed that I mentioned I'm gay. Yeah I mean, I try to avoid playing the minority card to win an argument usually. In this case, I thought people might think I'm just being homophobic, and was trying to signal that my beliefs about adoption have nothing to do with adoption in same-sex marriage specifically. But, yeah, point taken.

Anyway, if you want to argue about pointless stuff like this, yeah, sure, I mean, I'll bite. But if you're going to be asking me for specific data relating to pregnant people being coerced into giving up their children, I'm really not terribly knowledgeable so you aren't going to learn much more than what I've already said. I mean, I can pester my friends for talking points, I guess.

And finally, edit 2, just because it bothers me: this is lemmy, this is the 2020s, please, stop assuming everyone on the internet is a man.

edit 3: no actually, I'm just stuck on this "propaganda" thing. Is there some magic shibboleth to prove that I'm actually speaking genuinely? Is that not a general-purpose argument against anyone who happens to disagree with you? Or, like, do you personally have such a narrow Overton window that you literally think that anyone who disagrees with you on one (1) matter must be secretly a plant for your furthest political rivals, and the fact that they have included other sentiment which looks like an ally's only proves it's a false flag? "Shit -- she just said she doesn't agree with project 2025. She must be lying! Don't ask how I know."

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