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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by faab64@social.vivaldi.net to c/palestine@lemmy.ml

Where is the outrage? Where have all the "humans" gone? Israel slaughtered over 400 innocent civilians in Gaza last night. Most of them women and children.

None of those with #Ukraine, #Canada, #Mexico and #EU flags on their profile raising their voice condemning this outrageous crime.

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The sheikh wandered around the city with a lamp

I'm tired of all the devils and the death, and seeking one human

They said it cannot be found, we have searched, As we said before

That which cannot be found I desire

Rumi
دی شیخ با چراغ همی‌ گشت گرد شهر
کز دیو و دد ملولم و انسانم آرزوست

گفتند یافت می‌ نشود جسته‌ ایم ما گفت
آن که یافت می‌ نشود آنم آرزوست
#poetry #Rumi #Gaza #Inhumanity #Death #politics #Israel #Genocide #WarCrime
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[-] faab64@social.vivaldi.net 54 points 1 month ago

@Zzyzx

I'm so disgusted by hypocrisy of all the blue MAGAts so disgustingly silent about Trump bombings of Yemen and massacre in Gaza

These hypocrites were so loud about tariffs against Canada and Mexico

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

They don't care about things that do not impact them, or people near them.

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

It has been clearly demonstrated that vocal opposition to one of those things gets you disappeared by ICE

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

How many American citizens have been disappeared by ICE?

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Saying that the right to protest is exclusive to citizens is certainly an... interesting stance...

But looking just at citizens: ICE has already harassed and arrested scores of citizens based on racial profiling. The agency deported as many as 70 citizens during Trump's first term.

There have been allegations of more US citizen deportations in these first 3 months of his presidency. I can dredge up those examples if you'd like, but don't have them readily on hand.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

What does "70 potential U.S. citizens" mean? Were they U.S. citizens or not?

I'm not saying the right to protest is exclusive to citizens, I am saying the excuse of potentially being disappeared by ICE does not apply to the vast majority of people.

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The investigators found that neither ICE nor U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) maintain good enough records to determine just how many people the agencies arrested or deported in error.

It's like 6 sentences in.

We've already narrowed that vast majority down quite a bit, I would bet anything that a visa (much less a green card) holder wouldn't face this much retaliation in October 2023.

There are about 50 million foreign-born residents in America, so in 3 months this administration has frozen the political voice of ~15% of the population.

They make up ~20% of the working age population, so if you're someone in the get-out-and-protest demographic that gives you decent odds of it theoretically not ending poorly. I guess you could say that's a vast majority, but it was nearly 100% before.

We're on pace for 50% suppression by the end of the year (20% silenced in a single quarter) and punishment will certainly be retroactive. You can understand the dilemma of 50/50 future odds you end up in jail for exercising your constitutional rights.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

What do you mean by foreign-born residents? Plenty of Americans are "foreign-born residents"

How do you figure 50% suppression by the end of the year?

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People with Visas, permanent residents and immigrants. The administration's argument for the arrest of Mahmoud Khalil explicitly states that his residency rights are void since "we didn't know he was a Terrorist at the time". You can extend that argument to literally any foreign born individual.

50% is napkin projection based on 20% suppression every three months (0.80^3^). Obviously it makes a lot of assumptions but the crackdowns haven't slowed yet, much less plateaued. I mentioned it to show how tenuous opposition can get even for "safe" demographics.

The administration is already posturing for this suppression: labeling vague groups like antifa as terrorists, threatening funding for universities fostering protests, statements about "illegal protests", invoking the Alien Enemies Act, etc... It's not a huge leap to extrapolate to how sweeping these measures will be.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

I’m trying to tell you many “foreign born residents” are actually US citizens.

Besides, your assumption is very hypothetical and not rooted in reality.

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I understand, I'm trying to communicate how that isn't as big of a protection as it seems.

The very same Alien Enemies Act sent US citizens of Japanese descent to internment camps. That's not a hypothetical, it's a line that has already been crossed.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Apparently they were sent to internment camps using other temporary powers enacted during the war, not that precise one.

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Those powers derive from the act, it gives that wartime authority. If you read the official proclamation Trump invented a "war" on gangs to use the same powers.

You can read Roosevelt's proclamation here, it's basically the same document shifted around to target Venezuelans.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Maybe the powers derive from the act, but the Japanese Americans were sent to camps following the Executive Order 9066

[-] heretical_i@kafeneio.social 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We had d3clared war on japan before the internments. We aren't in a declared war with Hamas or Palestine @alkbch There are no 'palestinian enemy aliens', but there IS a US code about foreigners on visa OR US CITIZENS interfering with or attempting to do their own diplomacy with other nations. Somewhere down my tl I posted info on that.
@stickly

[-] heretical_i@kafeneio.social 0 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately an H1(B) visa is not citizenship. It's temporary residency that IS revocable. @alkbch @stickly

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago
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[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

It affects them so you know what they will care and removed about.
They are even worse than maga bcs they're so disgustingly self absorbed and pretentious they think they are on the right side.
I really hope they get what they deserve.

[-] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Ukraine affects me as a fellow European.

I'm not on the right side, I just want my family to live in peace.

Tariffs don't matter. The energy crisis didn't matter. COVID restrictions didn't matter. Those are just economic struggles.

It's safety that matters most.

Israel has been expanding their territory over the past century, it has been well covered by the media every time there's stuff happening. I remember Israeli taking the home of a Palestine family and the Palestinians just had to leave. This was a few years prior to the Hamas shooting at a festival.

If governments weren't handling Ukraine situation, energy crisis, COVID, etc. Then nothing would be happening.

There's people on the street here in Belgium, mostly young people and people from middle Eastern descent.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

It’s safety that matters most.

There is nothing less safe than the US/NATO fueled paranoia and warmongering Russophobia.
And the spineless governments of EU aren't handling anything.
They do everything the US tells them to in the case of ex-ukraine or israel.
Nothing but vasals.
That they are sad now bcs their owner doesn't respect them while they've been such obedient little helpers will not change anything.
All it is is embarrassing.
People fail to see Europe's place in the food chain, our media certainly won't admit this.
And neither will they admit the consequences.
What they, and you as a result from their BS reporting, mislabel as 'energy crisis' is a direct result from sanctions and the pure US terrorist act of blowing up Nordstream.
You better believe that matters.
It means we can't compete economically, companies are relocating and we will be in massive trouble.
And to make it worse they double down and decide to spend even more money we haven't got on US weapons.
Who do you think will have to pay for that?
And all it does is get ups a step closer to war and put a large part of the population in poverty.
And I mean poverty like never seen before.
Well maybe not never since the situation is exactly like the 1930's.
And it will have the same result.
Angry population voting for extreme right.
The last step before we're ready to be sent to the Ostfront again.

There’s people on the street here in Belgium, mostly young people and people from middle Eastern descent.

Sure, about 50, the rest of the apathetic youth is gazing at their phone.

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I'm kinda still salty about letting agent orange back in the wh but what would you like me to do? I'm not really that knowledgeable on the subject so it's kinda difficult for me to form an argument other than, "let's not kill people." If that's your advise I'll give it a try. Again.

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