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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Pr0x1mo@lemmy.world to c/leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world

What era in time do these people think R's are trying to conserve to, after or before civil rights?

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 3 months ago

There are several countries that have FPTP voting, but they're not as entrenched at everywhere into two parties the way the US is. The UK, for example, has several regions where one of the two major parties is mostly fighting against a regional party, and the other major party has little to no voting base there.

Not only that, but several southern states have used instant runoff voting since the end of Reconstruction (or not long after). If you look at the makeup of their legislatures over the past 100+ years, you'll see that they are just as filled with Democrats and Republicans as everywhere else.

Point is, FPTP is not the only thing at play.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There are several countries that have FPTP voting, but they’re not as entrenched at everywhere into two parties the way the US is.

Sure, that's because there are other factors at play. But FPTP is one of the biggest factors, and in other countries with FPTP it is always the case where there are two dominant parties. Your own example, the UK, has that problem with the conservative & labour parties being the biggest. They always dominate the seats in parliament.

regional party, and the other major party has little to no voting base there.

Sure, but a part of why FPTP is so bad is because it gets worse the bigger the election. A small regional election may only have two candidates to begin with, which means any system of voting is esentially equal.

National elections are almost guaranteed to have at least 3 candidates running for a seat, often 4 or 5 if its a seat like the presidency. And that's where you see third parties suffering most.

The fewer the seats there are, and the more national the election is, the worse FPTP gets.

you look at the makeup of their legislatures over the past 100+ years, you’ll see that they are just as filled with Democrats and Republicans as everywhere else.

That's because the two parties are so entrenched everywhere else. It's in their interest to dominate and push out 3rd parties in those elections as well.

Point is, FPTP is not the only thing at play.

Agreed, though it is clearly one of the biggest factors in 3rd parties failing. We need reprentational government, and this ain't it.

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sure, that's because there are other factors at play. But FPTP is one of the biggest factors, a

I don't agree Australia has "ranked choice" and we have two big parties dominant. It's not a FPTP, it's voters.

Paraphrasing Susan Sontag, 10% of voters are good, 10% evil and 80% can be swayed either way, of that 80% many of us are stupid (in the Cippola sense).

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ranked choice is basically FPTP with simulated rounds. It's not much better than FPTP. Switching from one bad voting system to a marginally better one isn't going to fix things.

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