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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by faab64@social.vivaldi.net to c/palestine@lemmy.ml

Where is the outrage? Where have all the "humans" gone? Israel slaughtered over 300 innocent civilians in Gaza last night. Most of them women and children.

None of those with #Ukraine, #Canada, #Mexico and #EU flags on their profile raising their voice condemning this outrageous crime.

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The sheikh wandered around the city with a lamp

I'm tired of all the devils and the death, and seeking one human

They said it cannot be found, we have searched, As we said before

That which cannot be found I desire

Rumi
دی شیخ با چراغ همی‌ گشت گرد شهر
کز دیو و دد ملولم و انسانم آرزوست

گفتند یافت می‌ نشود جسته‌ ایم ما گفت
آن که یافت می‌ نشود آنم آرزوست
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[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

Here’s the Guardian article on the condemnation of the attacks: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/18/un-human-rights-chief-voices-horror-at-israel-new-gaza-strikes

Hey, that one's actually good, only issue being one instance of "Hostages" vs "detainees"

Here’s a slightly more recent article that focuses on Israel’s justification and Netanyahu’s comments: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/18/israel-gaza-strikes-deaths-latest-update

This one is pretty damn bad though, spending a disproportionate amount of time uncritically repeating the lies and rhetoric of Israel, it also repeats the lie of Hamas starting the fighting by "attacking Israel" as well as not differentiating between civilian and military casualties on October 7th, before immediately giving a comedicly low death count for Israel's genocide in Gaza.

Here’s an opinion article published today from one of the main columnists that is very explicit about the genocide in Gaza: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/19/imagine-silent-terrible-evil-committed-gaza-inaction-censorship

A good editorial, not that it too talks about how bad the media has been.

So maybe let’s not attack media outlets that do actually show what is going on and that are willing to call it what it is?

I mean, they're still extremely hesitant to actually call it what it is, instead resorting to qualified "some say" framing, while also giving equal consideration (or sometimes greater) to obvious lies from Israel. Don't get me wrong, the guardian is way better than most, but that a relative statement.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 points 7 hours ago

Hey, that one's actually good, only issue being one instance of "Hostages" vs "detainees"

Doesn't Hamas also call them that? Or perhaps it's just translated as such.

This one is pretty damn bad though, spending a disproportionate amount of time uncritically repeating the lies and rhetoric of Israel, it also repeats the lie of Hamas starting the fighting by "attacking Israel" as well as not differentiating between civilian and military casualties on October 7th, before immediately giving a comedicly low death count for Israel's genocide in Gaza.

The entire point of that article is to report on what Israel is saying. So I'm not sure how that can be disproportionate if it exclusively talks about what it says in the headline. I think it makes sense for a media outlet to also report what Israel says, even if it can be disproven (and the Guardian does add that context). The Guardian here objectively reports on what Israel says, which I think is an important function of a news outlet. The Guardian also mentions that the "eruption of violence" started on October 7th, and I'm pretty sure that's objectively true as well. Before that there was a very uneasy "peace" with plenty of violence to go around, but nothing to the scale of what we saw on Octobee 7th and beyond. Note how the language used doesn't explicitly blame Hamas for the entire conflict.

The "comedically low death count" is the count as reported by the Gaza health ministry. Of course more people have indirectly died as a result of the war, but that's a different statistic. Not sure what you want the Guardian to do here, unless you think Hamas is also fudging the numbers or something(?)

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The “comedically low death count” is the count as reported by the Gaza health ministry.

Doesn't even know the Palestinian Authority are fully controled by the genociders.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago

The Gaza health ministry is under Hamas jurisdiction.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 hours ago

That is true, the Ministry of Health however isn't.
They could've provided the low numbers.
The article says "Palestinian health authorities" which could mean either or some other 'officials' and I suspect it's deliberately kept vague to not reveal an israeli (controlled) source.
"Gaza health ministry" isn't even mentioned once in this article?
You naming that specifically is pretty suspicious and sneaky.
Hasbara sneaky even.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 48 minutes ago

The Gaza Health Ministry are the ones reporting 48k. That's not a "could" or "maybe", you can easily Google this.

Or just check here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

As of 4 March 2025, over 50,000 people – 48,405 Palestinian[3][8] and 1,706 Israeli[c] – have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the official figures of the Gaza Health Ministry

There's nothing suspicious or sneaky happening here, your reading comprehension is just not that good.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 hours ago

Doesn’t Hamas also call them that? Or perhaps it’s just translated as such.

Would be news to me, and that kind of double standard in language has been used a lot (see "kidnapped from his tank").

The entire point of that article is to report on what Israel is saying.

Yes? That's exactly my point. Do they have articles who's whole point is to report on what Palestine is saying? Yemen? Russia?

So I’m not sure how that can be disproportionate if it exclusively talks about what it says in the headline

They choose their own headlines.

I think it makes sense for a media outlet to also report what Israel says

I don't.

The Guardian also mentions that the “eruption of violence” started on October 7th, and I’m pretty sure that’s objectively true as well

You going to read the rest of that sentence? The part that goes "...when thousands of Hamas-led gunmen attacked Israeli communities around the Gaza Strip, killing 1,200 people and abducting 251 hostages."

and I’m pretty sure that’s objectively true as well

It's also objectively true that Israel is a fascist, genocidal ethnostate, you won't see them saying that though.

The “comedically low death count” is the count as reported by the Gaza health ministry.

  1. That death count is the direct munitions deaths that the barely functionally health ministry has been able to confirm. It is the depths of willfully misleading to imply that thats the actual estimated total death count. And you can tell that it's misleading, because it misled you.

  2. Even that count is much higher than the number Guardian gave now, they're using old numbers.

but that’s a different statistic.

Actually no, that's the statistic The Guardian is falsely claiming it is.

Not sure what you want the Guardian to do here

For a start, they should include that the estimates for total deaths had already passed the two hundred thousand mark half a year ago.

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