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No WAN Show this week. The streak has ended.
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As much as I like WAN show, it does seem a bit symptomatic of the overwork. They go until after midnight on a Friday night? And frequently they call someone who should be home?
Merch messages have metastasized it a bit. Maybe they should just prerecord it during work hours, and answer merch messages from the previous week? Would be less interactive, but most of the curated merch messages seem to be general questions anyway, rather than topic specific questions? They could still automatically show current merch messages in the banner as the video goes live?
I at least hope they are either paying Dan overtime or letting him shift his hours around.
Yup, agreed. In isolation, working late or unusual hours is not bad, but with the other things going on, perhaps worth them stepping back and evaluating if it's the right thing to do.
I doubt Colton has an on-call agreement to cover him getting call up on the show.
I am currently doing on-call work, I get a daily lump sum to hold the phone, and a fixed call out sum of I get called out. There are lots of different arrangements it seems. Compensation and balance is key though
There's no "off hours" for csuite though. At that point you're expected to act whether you're balls deep in your partner or chilling at the office.
I dunno if that is typical for most companies? I'm pretty sure the csuite of my company isn't expected to be available 24/7. Neither would I expect that from the csuite of the BBC or any other media company?
Im not in their industry, is it how it works at other companies?
Usually c-suite are paid annually and are required to work whatever amount of time is required of them by the office, which might include working during what is considered time off for hourly employees. At my previous job they even told them "You're expected to end the year having worked 50h/week on average." when 40h was the max for regular employees.
Meanwhile, 20 of those hours every week are spent attending meetings. The "work" That suite folks do consists of meetings, talking to people, and sending emails. Literally anyone can do that for 50 hours a week, especially when the salary allows you to hire domestic help to do the housework, cooking, landscaping, etc... Thatyou'd otherwise spend those hours on.
I know employees not in managerial roles that do pretty much that too. Salaries also depend on the size of the company, I know some that make less than I do in an entry level job in my department.
"C-suites" (didn't use traditional titles as it wasn't a private business) at my previous job were obligated to work nights, weekends, interact with clients directly (including helping when facing difficult ones) and so on... Not all c-suites jobs are the same and not all of them are easy either...
Hope Dan is getting reimbursed as well, though if Madison's claim about time off is to be believed, I don't have much confidence in that.
A bit of a side tangent, but the way Linus talks to Dan has always kinda rubbed me the wrong way. There's jokey "Dan wants me to do this but I'm gonna do this instead" banter that's ok but there are times where Linus just seems to openly disregard Dan and blame him for his own fuckups on the show. Not trying to be a parasocial Andy here but it does make the podcast harder to listen to, imo.
Linus has this attitude with everyone. The reason you see it more with Dan is because it's Live.
He has an attitude problem
Yeah, I was really annoyed when, during the Billet Labs monoblock "review" video, I saw Linus berating his cohost for not guessing shit he wanted, while the cohost was very obviously trying his best to do all he could while respectfully staying out of Linus's way.
And that's just one example in a single video.
Damned if you do, damned is you don't. You just can't win.
Hand me the scissors /s
It's really off-putting to me too, even if it was truly fake banter. And I'm no longer sure it's even mostly fake banter.
I know what you mean. Without knowing their personal relationship it can seem a bit cruel at times.
They went about this in the last episode and Dan was actually so into it that Linus felt bad.
Do you have a link?
Yes he does, he gets reminded quite often to put in the overtime
That's good, thanks for letting us know, I must have missed it whenever that has been said.
We are no longer dicussing facts anyway and want to burn people at the stake
I don't want to burn anyone at the stake. I just want to know that everything is done above board. If they are getting overtime, then all is well, and I'm happy.
That's the exact same thing I'm thinking every time I'm watching. I wouldn't stay at work after midnight on every single Friday that's for sure.
But when you take in over $10k an hour in merch, you might put up with it.
Their leaked internal WAN Show dashboard:
That's crazy.
Another symptom of the overwork is that I believe they're late to start most weeks?