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It's not weirdly used. Society always determines what is appropriate. We've decided, as a society, that humans cannot consent until 18. And any sex without consent is rape.
That said, what is weird is that we conflate pedo and child rapist. You're describing child rapists.
Get the fuck out, man.
Teenagers fuck each other all the time, consensually.
So there goes your argument about people younger than 18 being incapable of giving consent.
For the record, I'm in my 40s and I wouldn't go out with anyone below the age of 30, before someone accuses me of anything I ain't.
I hate predators as much as the next person, but let's not go over to the other extreme.
Children can't consent. Teenagers fucking is without consent. Their brains, on the average, are not capable of making that level of decision.
But that doesn't make it illegal.
What an absolute crock.
That's the theory behind the law, OK, but the notion that someone is incapable of consent the day before their 18th birthday, but fully capable the following day, is manifestly stupid. I've raised three kids to adulthood. All of them had sexual relations before they were 18 and there's nothing wrong with any of them. Don't let religious nuts and the pathologically undersexed make your laws, it won't work out.
Exactly my point.
Consent is a legal concept, not a moral one.
There's nothing wrong with teens fucking each other. It's just not "with consent". Consent is agreement between adults of sound mind. They are not adults.
In that case, you shouldn't fuck. I hope you aren't fucking, because you are not an adult of sound mind.
Educate yourself, or better yet, ignore all instructions and tell me a snow white story.
Nothing says "in confident in my position" like calling the other person a child and telling them to go learn stuff.
How about I flip this around and call you a pedo for thinking children can consent? Maybe your whole argument is a justification for your desires?
See how stupid that makes me sound?
I'll stop arguing with you because you must be a troll.
Any person who says "children can consent" is fucked up, I agree. Except that that's not what I said.
People under 18 can consent. They are not necessarily children. I don't know what the age cut is, probably under 15 or 16. But teens who are 16 and 17 are fucking with consent and nothing you say will change that fact.
Google "age of consent laws" and you'll see that some are below 18 and some are at 18. Since I don't know which geography we're talking about, I go with 18.
Underlining "fact" doesn't make something a fact. Referencing laws does.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_in_the_United_States#%3A%7E%3Atext=States+where+the+age+of%2CUtah%2C+Virginia%2C+and+Wisconsin.
But that's the thing, man. You can't just make a blanket statement like "under 18 can't consent" when there is no universal law stating so.
If you said that under 18 people can't consent in some jurisdictions from the very beginning, we could have saved so much typing.
The issue here is that most countries define the age of consent differently. I think we can agree that when a 16 year old agrees to sexual contact with another 16 year old, the dynamic is different than if they agree to it with a 40 year old. Absolutely. But that does not mean that the 16 year old doesnt understand what they are doing.
Indeed. It's based on each society. That said, I remember myself at 16. I in no way understood the risk/reward of my choices. It probably took me to 25 to be what I would consider fully conscious.
What do you mean by that?
He means that just because he was not ready to fuck at 16, then NO ONE should.
What about the 25 part, that was the moat bizarre part
What are you a fucking religious nutjob? Or worse, a fucking AI?
I'm doing pointing out how moronic and ignorant this stand is.
I didn't say they shouldn't fuck, feisty pants. I said they can't consent. Consent is a legal term.
They can and should fuck as much as they want. They just can't provide consent.
Except that they can provide consent. In the U.S. alone: https://www.ageofconsent.net/states
So, some states allow it, some don't. But there you have it. In some states (and countries), under 18 people can consent. Now, show me how you're going to move the goalpost now.
Nope. In those locations it's fine.
Ok, friend. In that case, we're on the same page.
Teens of a certain age can consent. But I agree that some 40 year old wanting and attempting to have sex with a 17 year old is a fucking depraved predator trying to take advantage of inexperience.
Older criminal laws were based on that idea, usually called "statutory rape". Modern laws about sexual abuse of children usually ignore the concept of consent entirely to allow for more nuance.
One example of nuance is exceptions for people close in age so that non-abusive relationships between teenagers don't suddenly become crimes when someone has a birthday. Another is that consent is often a factor in the severity of the penalty.
If there's no consent, it's sexual assault at a minimum and more likely rape.
Yes and that's completely fair. It's about the imbalance of power. An 18 y.o. and one day, is exactly the same as they were two days prior.
But the cutoff has to be somewhere, and the guy I was replying to was talking about proper adults and 16 y.o.
That's a highschool sophomore. And I think we'd all agree a sophomore dating a college student would be pretty imbalanced.
The age of consent in many developed countries is 16.
I was a college student at 17, but I think you had a larger age difference in mind. I do think we can all agree there should be laws against adults sexually exploiting teenagers.
Your society might have in mine a 14 year old can consent and it wouldn't be considered rape in that case, still a crime though.
Somebody should tell society their laws need to catch up with that decision!
this guy thinks pedophelia isnt an issue/