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[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

import * as operations from "Math";

Wow, I knew import syntax with a separate from statement could be awkward, but that's a new one for me.

Apparently, the * cannot be used to import all symbols underneath a module (you always have to specify the as moduleName), so I guess, that makes it somewhat less weird for referring to the module itself.

From what I can tell, there's also no obvious other keyword they could've used:

  • package is only a keyword in strict mode.
  • self is not a keyword.
  • this is kind of awkward.
  • Leaving out the keyword is kind of awkward (import as operations from "Math";).
  • Changing up the whole syntax for this one case is awkward, too (import from "Math" as operations;).

So, I guess, I'll allow it, but I'm still not happy about it...

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

You mean I can't just

import * from * 

And be done with it? How inefficient!

[-] demunted@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

Calm down Thanos

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

JavaScript was a mistake, but this is one of the few things they did correctly. Implicitly importing everything from a package into the current scope makes it difficult to follow where variables or functions come from, and it's prone to cause problems when two packages export the same identifier.

If you're an absolute masochist, there's always a workaround. Against all best practices, you can use the deprecated with statement. Or, you can Object.assign() the packages into the global object like a monster. Or if you're using node, you can use the node:vm module to create a new V8 context with its own global object of your choosing.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Oh yeah, I was merely complaining about the syntax. Coming from other languages, I interpreted that import statement to mean essentially this:

import { double, exponent /*...*/ } as operations from "Math";

...and as such, it took me a few seconds to understand what's being aliased by as operations.

As for importing all symbols of a module, I do think it's more harm than good in non-compiled languages. But when it comes to compiled languages, I'd say it depends on the language.

In Rust, for example, I can easily throw down an inline module with one-way isolation, so that it can transparently access everything in its parent module via use super::*;, while the parent module can't access what's in the module (unless it's been marked pub). That can reduce mental complexity of the code (and is actually used a lot, because unit tests are typically put into such an inline module).
It's also useful in Rust, because you can re-export symbols in different modules, so you can break up a file without breaking the imports by throwing a pub use my_sub_module::*; into the original module.

But yeah, on the flipside, I really wouldn't miss it, if it didn't exist in Java. It was rather even annoying, because the popular IDEs have a rule to replace explicit imports with an asterisk as soon as it reached 5 symbols imported from the same module.
It's not as bad as one might think, because you can't declare top-level functions or variables in Java (everything has to be in a class), but it still sometimes led to those asterisk imports bringing in the wrong class names, so I'd have to manually add the import I wanted underneath them...

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