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I think American citizens of Japanese descent would disagree with your good old days assessment of how Americans were treated by their own government during WW2. They certainly had their liberty and livelihoods taken from them. Furthermore people of color in general were still under the thumb of institutionalized racism that continues to this day. Do you believe they were better off back then too?
You're talking about oppression of minorities, and no one is going to argue that that was unconscionable. But I'm referring to the character if America as a whole. No part of our population was untouched by the darkness of the Bush administration.
I think FreeLikeGNU has a point here… the happier America as described has generally only been a reality for a subset of the population. Can we really suggest that is/was the ‘character [of] America’ as a whole?
The whole “MAGA” thing feels related to this point. Its like a large group of American’s feel the oppression, fear and lack of optimism and, in their anger and frustration, have embraced a view that what made America great was the division and exploitation rather than the optimism.
I’d argue causality — that they were purposefully led to that view by exploitative fuckwad Republican leadership that cared about Party more than the country and who used the fear, and exploited the crisis, to gain and maintain power and now don’t want to give it up. But we don’t really need to understand why or who led that change to also step back and be sad that the change happened.
Give it a few days; on the wrong instance you'll run into people who will
Pretty sure you said:
You don't think sending an entire ethnic group who are also American citizens to internment camps in the dessert forcing them to abandon their homes, work, friends, businesses is what you just described?
That's slightly different. (Very slightly). Those American citizens actually did have the right to fight their incarceration in court.
... It just so happens that the court absolutely shit the bed in a 6-3 ruling about their constitutionality
On the other hand, internment camps were effectively ended by the the supreme Court the next year.
Contrast that with "enemy combatants" who had NO ACCESS TO THE CIVILIAN COURT SYSTEM.
I don't see how "slightly different" could support the argument that things were effectively better at the time citizens were put into camps. The legal system supported a racist policy by "6-3 ruling about their constitutionality". Furthermore:
No. It was over two years before the order was suspended and the last of the camps shut down. The order was not officially terminated until 1976!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066