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[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 27 points 1 week ago
[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago

Yep. A single billionaire funding a war effort is abhorrent.

This one happens to be on the right side, but there's absolutely no guarantee that his will be the case for any of these fucking psychopaths.who horde wealth. They all need to go.

[-] Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 week ago

Counterpoint - under the current administration, paying taxes might help Russia more

[-] ammonium@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

But would the current administration be the current administration without wealth hoarding psychopaths?

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

No, it would not.

[-] Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago

It wouldn't, but I think that ship has sailed already. I don't see how your current governmental structure would ever fix that. It's been a problem since citizens united, if not before

[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It has always been up to the people to establish governmental structure. History provides the examples, mon frére.

[-] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Except he's not funding a war, he's funding the defense of a nation fighting for freedom and its right to exist.

Ukraine didn't get in this war as a pissing match with Russia. It was wrongly attacked and is a democracy defending itself. It's had its children kidnapped and its civilians targeted. It will cease to exist if it loses. We don't have a greedy capitalist funding an unjust war for profit as you're trying to suggest. Helping Ukraine is the right thing to do. Refusing to help them will simply result in Europe fighting a better-resourced Russia later.

[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

We don't have a greedy capitalist funding an unjust war for profit as you're trying to suggest.

Yet.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

If there's one thing billionaires are known for, it is, of course, giving billions to a war effort with absolutely zero strings attached. Totally.

[-] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I don't doubt the possibility but that's not the situation here and now with defending Ukraine.

[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I'm not arguing that these funds shouldn't go to Ukraine. I'm arguing that no single individual should ever be allowed to have so much money that they are able to do this. They all need to be cut down to size ASAP.

[-] Bogus007@lemm.ee -5 points 1 week ago

Do you say the same thing about Russian billionaires funding the war against Ukraine?

They said :

they all need to go

All being the operative word here, which is inclusive of Russian billionaires.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

There's really no such thing as "Russian billionaires", at least not in the western sense. Also not in the oligarch sense, oligarchy implies rule by few, that's not the case in Russia, it's an autocracy, rule by one: There's the Tsar and he doeth bequeath wealth upon loyal viceroys in the form of fiefdoms to exploit. The Tsar giveth, and the Tsar taketh away. Shit hasn't changed since the times of the Russian Empire but this time around it's less about territories and the people on it but factories and industries.

[-] Bogus007@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Certainly, the Russian system was and is totally a hierarchical system based on- like everywhere - on power and influence (both intermingle). But this does not exclude that there are very wealthy people in Russia who are funding the war, being it because they are forced to (I hardly believe) or because they make profit out of it. Don’t you think so?

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

The war is funded partly by the taxpayer, partly by inflation. The viceroys might be making less of a profit right now as they can't engage in their usual level of grift but Putin doesn't, and isn't going to, touch their villas and fancy cars.

[-] Bogus007@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Please take a look at these articles:

Le Monde

The Cyber Voice

And even the Moscow Times

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's not contradicting anything I said, on the contrary it's contradicting your assertion that those people would be funding the war. Their wealth is largely unaffected, still making profits (even if a bit lower) because they're still fulfilling their purpose as loyal viceroys.

Like, usually they could e.g. produce ballistic vests out of cardboard, bill the army full price for the things, and pocket the difference. That doesn't fly any more but that doesn't mean that suddenly their businesses are unprofitable.

Among kremlinologists there's generally an acknowledgement that the viceroys aren't exactly thrilled about the war because it's cutting into their profits and they're not seeing any point in it, OTOH they're also not willing to bite the hand that feeds them. Few have armies large enough to march on Moscow, none have armies large enough to face down the actual one, and none of them wants to end like Prigozhin. They also don't like not being able to travel to Monaco. They're assholes captured between a rock and a hard place. Normal Russian circumstances, one might say.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Absolutely. What other reasonable response is there?

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago
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