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UK Supreme Court rules ‘woman’ means biological female
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No? You've just invalidated your own original argument by acknowledging you would add the "born with" despite the fact that I said there are women who were NOT born with the
reproductive apparatus organized to support production of the large gamete (ova).In other words, your own argument is not self-supporting. So I don't feel I need to elaborate further than the point here is that OP is saying "define biological female" is defeatingly complex and requires assumptions to even proceed, and even then any answer doesn't land in the "definitive" answer you probably want.
Fair. I think my point was related to what makes sense in any reasonable social setting, not what is the exact biological definition which appears to be more of a scientific question.
Just to be clear on this, in my opinion anyone born with a vagina who wants to identify as a woman, should be treated as such. That’s if you have grown up thinking you were a woman, such an identity cannot be taken away.
Opinion is a whole other ballgame. Glad to support it as an opinion. And logically that's where this law is going to reside... not in any science. I suppose, upon reflection, that is my underlying message.
can you clarify what they are not born with? I want to make sure we're on the same page, and discussing the same specifics. women can still produce ova without a uterus. women can still have a system that supports the production of ova if they have ovaries that don't function for whatever reason.
There is a fairly broad spectrum of answers to this. My point was that there is no neat/definitive answer based strictly on production of OVA, external genetalia, Uterous, ovaries, hormonal levels, hair manifestation on the body, etc. I'm not sure what value there is in discussing specifics. If people add "it's my opinion" to a comment, then that's fine - it's an opinion. But when it's pushed as "everyone agrees" or "scientific basis" it gets into very loaded territory.
Edit: BTW, I'm not accusing you of presenting it as scientific fact. Just trying to cut through to a common ground understanding that anyone can have an opinion on this, but once it's "legal" it becomes exceedingly murky to define outside of opinion.
you have been very respectful, and i mean this with respect as well: do you think it is possible that there is a scientific answer to this, and perhaps you don't know enough to confirm or deny it?
this is really only a debate when it comes to humans, because it is not emotionally charged at all when we speak of the sex of a dog for example. it is reasonable to say that approximately half of dogs produce sperm, and those are the males. the other half produce eggs and are females.
there isn't really a debate there, no one claims that "dogs with long hair are female" or anything stupid like that...
in every animal, sex is determined by what gamete their body is set up to produce. this is just what the scientific method has shown, really. i say this with no hate or love in my heart either way. if science is able to show otherwise, then i shall follow it there. it is not my opinion, and it is not what i want to be true. it is just an observable thing