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[-] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 79 points 1 month ago

The LLM peddlers seem to be going for that exact result. That's why they're calling it "AI". Why is this surprising that non-technical people are falling for it?

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's why they're calling it "AI".

That's not why. They're calling it AI because it is AI. AI doesn't mean sapient or conscious.

Edit: look at this diagram if you're still unsure:

[-] thehatfox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

In the general population it does. Most people are not using an academic definition of AI, they are using a definition formed from popular science fiction.

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You have that backwards. People are using the colloquial definition of AI.

"Intelligence" is defined by a group of things like pattern recognition, ability to use tools, problem solving, etc. If one of those definitions are met then the thing in question can be said to have intelligence.

A flat worm has intelligence, just very little of it. An object detection model has intelligence (pattern recognition) just not a lot of it. An LLM has more intelligence than a basic object detection model, but still far less than a human.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, that's the point. You'd think they could have, at least, looked into a dictionary at some point in the last 2 years. But nope, everyone else is wrong. A round of applause for the paragons of human intelligence.

[-] laz@pawb.social 9 points 1 month ago

The I implies intelligence; of which there is none because it's not sentient. It's intentionally deceptive because it's used as a marketing buzzword.

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

You might want to look up the definition of intelligence then.

By literal definition, a flat worm has intelligence. It just didn't have much of it. You're using the colloquial definition of intelligence, which uses human intelligence as a baseline.

I'll leave this graphic here to help you visualize what I mean:

[-] FippleStone@aussie.zone 9 points 1 month ago

Please do post this graphic again, I don't think I've quite grasped it yet

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
[-] Nikelui@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago

Oh, yes. I forgot that LLM have creativity, abstract thinking and understanding. Thanks for the reminder. /s

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

It's not a requirement to have all those things. Having just one is enough to meet the definition. Such as problem solving, which LLMs are capable of doing.

[-] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago

What is this nonsense Euler diagram? Emotion can intersect with consciousness, but emotion is also a subset of consciousness but emotion also never contains emotion? Intelligence does overlap at all with sentience, sapience, or emotion? Intelligence isn’t related at all to thought, knowledge, or judgement?

Did AI generate this?

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

https://www.mdpi.com/2079-8954/10/6/254

What is this nonsense Euler diagram?

Science.

Did AI generate this?

Scientists did.

[-] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago

Not everything you see in a paper is automatically science, and not every person involved is a scientist.

That picture is a diagram, not science. It was made by a writer, specifically a columnist for Medium.com, not a scientist. It was cited by a professor who, by looking at his bio, was probably not a scientist. You would know this if you followed the citation trail of the article you posted.

You’re citing an image from a pop culture blog and are calling it science, which suggests you don’t actually know what you’re posting, you just found some diagram that you thought looked good despite some pretty glaring flaws and are repeatedly posting it as if it’s gospel.

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

You’re citing an image from a pop culture blog and are calling it science

I was being deliberately facetious. You can find similar diagrams from various studies. Granted that many of them are looking at modern AI models to ask the question about intelligence, reasoning, etc. but it highlights that it's still an open question. There's no definitive ground truth about what exactly is "intelligence", but most experts on the subject would largely agree with the gist of the diagram with maybe a few notes and adjustments of their own.

To be clear, I've worked in the field of AI for almost a decade and have a fairly in-depth perspective on the subject. Ultimately the word "intelligence" is completely accurate.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 1 month ago

You don't have to be tech person to see through bullshit. Any person with mid level expertise can test the limits of the current LLM capabilities. It can't provide consistently objectively correct outputs. It is still a useful tool though.

[-] fishpen0@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Mid level expertise in basically anything may be out of reach for younger gen z given the state of the education systems they lived through and the business practices that no longer prioritize training or continuing education. Assuming they can get hired at all when everyone is only hiring senior staff

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 month ago

Education was always garbage though. It is designed to generate obidient wage slaves. Any person who wanted to get good always knew that self study is the only way to get leveled up.

Your coworkers have no incentive to train you. This has also started since at least 1990s. Just how corpos operate.

Point I am making, none of this is new or specific to gen z

I guess covid is unique to them tho but covid didn't make education shite, it just exposed it imho

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Education was always garbage though. It is designed to generate obidient wage slaves.

in the US

Fixed that for you

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