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[-] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone -1 points 4 days ago

But not now, now for the most part they're all democratic countries.

You hang on to the past so hard and you get Gaza, India Pakistan war, the Middle East etc.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 10 points 4 days ago

A country being democratic for some people has absolutely no indication of whether it is an imperialist threat to other countries.

Do you think the countries being invaded by the US or having their legitimate governments overthrown and fascist puppets installed care about the US being democratic on the inside? Do you think Pakistan is less threatened by India because it is a democratic country? Do you think the Serbian massacres in Bosnia were acceptable and the Kosovarians were welcoming the Serbian invaders because Serbia became democratic a few years earlier?

Also the Middle East like many post colonial areas in Africa are unstable precisely because the French and British democracies designed artificial countries in a way that will cause tensions by separating people such as the Kurdish people into many states and throwing together different people into single states. Continued military "interventions", arming groups in proxy wars and other meddling certainly doesn't help either. Take Libya for instance where France is helping the Haftar regime to continue waging war against the internationally recognized government alongside Russia, Wagner, the UAE and Egypt.

[-] pheet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 days ago

Take Libya for instance where France is helping the Haftar regime to continue waging war against the internationally recognized government alongside Russia, Wagner, the UAE and Egypt.

Pretty sure France is not there to be along with Russia and Wagner but because Russia and Wagner is there. Russia’s interest is to grow influence and cause issues to Europe.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

France is there to get cheap Libyan oil from a warlord. If that means partnering with Wagner they are fine doing so.

If France was interested in challenging Russian influence they would support the internationally recognized government and help its fight against Haftar. You know, like how limiting Russian influence in Ukraine is done by helping Ukraine, not by helping Russia allied separatists in Luchansk.

[-] pheet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 days ago

France is there to get cheap Libyan oil from a warlord.

I will need more convincing on that. But I do see that France’s involment does have pretty bad optics - and maybe reasons. But because France is not the only one there, it sure isn’t something black and white.

And I wouldn’t draw comparisons to Ukraine as the Libya has unfortunately have had so much internal instability that is not comparable - though one could say something Euromaiden and the aftermath of it but that is still order of magnitudes different starting point.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago

There is currently a trial for former French president Sarkozy for having been bankrolled by the Gaddafi regime.

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20250410-how-former-french-president-sarkozy-allegedly-received-millions-from-libya-s-gaddafi

France then was the first country to bomb Libya in 2011. France is heavily influencing what is going on in Libya.

[-] pheet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago

Fair point to be honest, albeit France being the first one to bomb Libya in 2011 is a mere technicality (if true) as there was a. UN security council resolution and Nato was leading the operation, or am I missing something?

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