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[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What the actual fuck is adobe acrobat? A pdf editor with subscription model payment? Firefox, the browser, can edit pdf files. It's 2025.

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Firefox can do basic annotating, adding text and adding pictures but it can't make a new PDF from scratch.

You may be confusing Adobe Acrobat Reader with Adobe Acrobat? Full Acrobat is the proprietary tool to make a PDF file from scratch including some of the more complex functions.

PDF is an open standard and has been for a while, so there are now plenty of alternatives for most of the functions. LibreOffice Draw and Inkscape can do a lot of PDF creation functions but not all. There are also "print to PDF" options to create basic PDF documents too.

However some of the more niche functions are not widely supported or well supported; and there isn't really any opensource dedicated PDF maker that I'm aware of. Layout tools are abundant but I think it's things like building forms and document signing that is less easily replicated. There is Master PDF - a fully functional PDF maker which is proprietary and available for Linux; it $80 for a perpetual license. I'm not aware of any other alternatives myself.

[-] Thrashy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

In AEC work we’ve moved almost exclusively to a competing PDF tool called Blubeam, which is proprietary but very worth the price, with tools for scaling, dimensioning, and producing material takeoffs from PDF drawings. Much of what you’d use Acrobat for in a more typical office environment are absent or limited, though.

[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Adobe acrobat is THE PDF editor. PDF is a proprietary format created and developed by Adobe. Any software that can edit PDFs is doing so in a format they do not have any control over. And there just aren't any proper PDF editors that are feature complete. now if you're an individual who needs to make a PDF in the privacy of your own home, by all means, use a cheap or free or FOSS application to do so. But if you need that PDF to be readable and useable and seamlessly compatible on other computers for other users for ever? Better pay the Adobe tax because there is a good chance, it won't look the way you expect it to when someone opens it up in Adobe which their company definitely has.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 1 week ago

Building off of this, the PDF standard supports all sorts of craziness. It can have embedded math and logic similar to excel files, to the point there's templates available for banks which will automatically calculate entire loans (including weird ones like balloon mortgages and variable interest rate stuff) without leaving Adobe Reader, and the recent Doom PDF and Linux PDF projects exploit the fact that pdfs support embedded javascript.

There's also an actual market for enterprise PDF templates like the banking ones I described with automatic calculations and whatnot. So some people literally make their living selling PDFs to businesses that businesses actually use

[-] Bouzou@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I don't know how it stacks up price-wise, but I'd argue Bluebeam is a far superior PDF editing program. It even covers some word processing, Illustrator, and some PowerPoint adjacent things.

That being said, I can't see it as practical for the average consumer.

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm not sure this true - PDF is an open standard. The issue isn't generally with layout and reproducibility - a good PDF maker and a good reader will give you an accurate representation of how it looks on all devices once the PDF is created.

Certainly there isn't a dedicated FOSS tool for make PDFs; Libre Office and Inkscape do a decent job but not perfect which may be what you're referring to. And they're not dedicated PDF makers plus the real problem is building fillable forms and signature tools.

But there is a proprietary alternative called Master PDF that is a dedicated and supports all the PDF standard features I believe; one perpetual license is $80 compared to Adobe subscription based charging. I'm not aware of other options myself but they may exist. But it's a viable alternative to the "adobe tax".

Also of course if you have Office 365 from Microsoft, you can use Word to export docs to PDF reliably (in my experience). Obviously as far as you can get from FOSS, but it is an option on Linux via web browser if you have it from work for example; at least you don't have to pay Adobe but it's scraping the bottom of the barrel for this threat I know!

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

not true. dont oay adobe so more pdfs will look like the user intended. dont fall adobe scams like weird functions that should be in a pdf anyways. pdfs created with masterpdfeditor look exactly as intended. so, again: no, adobe is a scam. always has been.

[-] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

There are a few other PDF editors that are cheaper, but they don’t have the same features. PDF seems like something that has outlived its purpose. There has to be other document formats that provide a similar or better experience and prevents alteration.

[-] whereisk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

PowerPDF or Kofax or whatever it’s called now was very close to parity if not exceed functionality for most office jobs.

[-] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yes, this is my company’s preferred solution.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 0 points 1 week ago

In Acrobat I can go into print preview and see what my file will print like using only black and a spot color ink, I can auto-convert RGB images to CMYK, and it has a pretty robust set of accessibility features so the visually impaired can read it.

It's for professionals.

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