621
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 21 Aug 2023
621 points (97.4% liked)
News
23424 readers
1533 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
It's weird to me the level of deranged guilt her diary entries show.
We are responsible for our actions. I just wonder wtf was going on in her head that allowed her to keep doing it. She hated herself for it. Like a lot.
That's the sort of evil I understand and can cope with. There is something wrong with her we don't have the capacity to understand. Some chemical imbalance or growth pushing on her brain in a certain area.
It's the people with nothing wrong with them but allow evil to happen like the hospital administrators that gets me.
A lot of time there is nothing visibly wrong with them and their background doesn't explain it
Sadly, we don't understand the brain yet. Otherwise perhaps certain things could be visible. I know that there is some research how activity patterns in brains of "psychopaths" difffer from other people. But it is all still on shaky grounds.
Yes, but it's difficult to access. You need to want to get the care and actively campaign to be referred.
And that's the "easy" things like anxiety or garden variety depression.
As soon as it gets complicated it's a whole other story.
If she never tried to seek it out, then it doesn't even matter as it appears she didn't give off any "I murder babies" vibes to the extent that the investigation was delayed beyond a reasonable length of time because she was not suspected of such a thing.
Not to mention, if she was diagnosed with something severe, she would probably lose her job if not her entire career. A lot of people avoid seeking help for that reason.
Ok, but she shouldn't have had her job.
Easy to say from where we sit. Harder when that job is what's keeping a roof over your head and food on your table.
Right, but she was compulsively murdering babies in the hospital. Can we all agree that she shouldn't have had a job as a nurse in a NICU? That doesn't feel like a statement with room for debate.
But... The comment is about why the murderer perhaps didn't seek mental health. Because she didn't want to lose her job. Who is saying that this was a good job for her to have?!
The other dumb fucks pushing the issue for whatever reason. I'm trying to figure out why it's so important for them for everyone else to submit to their opinion that the murderer was mentally ill. What difference would it even make? She'd be a threat to the community regardless and so her imprisonment or execution would be justified whether she was mentally ill or not, so what's the deal, I wonder?
The point is that if she had had help before she started killing babies, we wouldn't even be here.
But she didn't. We may never know why in her case, but in other cases, fear of losing your job and having no way to afford food, housing, or other needs is one reason.
Funniest joke we heard all day
So a baby murderer should have been allowed to keep her job and continue to put innocent lives in danger because you 1) baselessly think she's mentally ill, and 2) think that a condition as extreme as you're implying shouldn't be regarded with consequence.
I never said that she should be allowed to keep her job.
You wouldn't say the quiet part out loud.
So weird that private medical info is only like sorta private except if they wanna use it
I mean, on the one hand I agree.
On the other hand, if you dream of murdering babies or crashing planes, perhaps the hospital or airline you work for should be informed.
Real talk though, you can't punish thought crimes.
Who TF dreams of crashing planes that does not fly planes? The incidence of plane-crash-dreamers is most certainly highly concentrated amongst pilots.
As are those who dream of killing babies concentrated around those who spend time around them.
Most of us use our brains to filter out things that we don't want to come to actualization. But the bad thoughts are in there. 94% of us will experience intrusive thoughts at some point in our lives. All to jail?
And yet you think people should have their guns taken away for their thoughts or their words, so what makes you think you're any better?
Imagine treating intrusive thoughts and killing babies as somehow equivalent. And that psychologists aren't trained to know the difference and who to flag, and who not to. At least that's what you'd say when pushing for red flag laws.
Or like get it solved before it becomes a problem? And have a professional medical opinion reccomend if you should work somewhere to not based on a risk assessment, not just a blanket statement
Every mental health professional I have seen over the years is a mandatory reporter (in the US). Meaning they stated to me, upfront… if you have thoughts of hurting others OR yourself that WILL be reported. I didn’t have those thoughts so I probably put that out of my mind rather quickly.
But after reading these comments, and the articles I can see both sides of the argument. Those suffering from these thoughts may well feel scared to admit them knowing they would have consequences for their jobs/ or legal trouble from admitting them. I’ve no idea who they would be “reporting” it to. I assume the mental health worker would attempt to send the individual to a psychiatric hospital so they can get help .
Isn't there protections for that though? That may fall under some medical status protection. Also when diagnosed you also get medicine which may help your brain balance.
Not the right time. Not the right place.
This woman murdered a lot of babies. Your comment is wildly inappropriate.
Nah, not self defense.
That would not be murder, then. Murder requires premeditation.
Depends on the jurisdiction. Some places call homicide without premeditation "manslaughter". Colloquially, murder has intent.
All murder is homicide, but not all homicide is murder.
There's a big fucking difference between "i hate myself and want to die" and "might murder a half dozen babies this month".
I think you might be asking a bit much of public mental health care, yeah?
She might think she didn't have a problem and rationalized her actions
I read the article and didn’t see any diary stuff. Do you have a link to it?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66104004
You'd have to look at what she got out of it emotionally. Other hospital killers did it for a combination of "They were a burden", "I was putting them out of their misery" and a sense of godlike power of life and death. Some started doing it for seeming mercy reasons but got so comfortable with doing it that they started killing patients because they annoyed them.
I think you're perhaps ignoring what I said about the content of her entries.
She suffered from her actions, emotionally. A lot. It's quite clear she got nothing positive emotionally from it:
She got something out of it though. No one was forcing her to do it so regardless of her entries at the moment of choice she wanted to do it. She may have felt regret or self-hate after the fact but it is clear that those feelings eventually passed.
Regret or self-hate can just as well turn into driving factors to continue doing harm to others. When you are mentally ill, logic starts completely bending and finally making a 180 degrees turn from normal
There's a whole lot of mental health issues in there.
I don't think it's possible to really understand a person that is that level of abnormal. Or rather, when you have empathy in a somewhat normal range, I think it's really hard to understand how not having empathy works.