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Antinatalism mod allegedly bombs fertility clinic
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I don't see how "something I love about" necessarily implies that they also love other things, it could easily be read as only a sarcastic appreciation. I don't consider myself 'a big middle finger to nature and traditional culture' and personally I don't appreciate people who do see me that way.
That said it's still sad seeing someone clearly going through a lot blow themselves up for what amounts to nonsense philosophy instead of finding something meaningful to do.
It could be said that way, yes. There is an ambiguity. But usually it is used to indicate specifically that it isn't the sole factor. I'm not saying he's being an effective ally, or even that he's trying to be an ally. I just think you misinterpreted to say his views on transgender people are solely based in rebellion against nature and tradition.
I'm sorry it's hurtful to you, in any case. I am also very disturbed.
I certainly wasn't giving him the most charitable reading, nor did I care for his conclusions.
Considering the very real threats out there it's concerning seeing people latch onto nonsense philosophies.
I agree. Last year a very confused man in my community went into a gender studies class in a University and stabbed the professor and two students (all survived). My partner is transgender at another school in town and I am... weirdgender. He was not a radicalized right winger, he was just disturbed and confused, and there is just so much fucking ambient hatred, it affects people who otherwise wouldn't even give a shit about any of it.
that's awful, yeah it does like there's a lot of people are looking for someone to blame for why things are going badly, easy to pick on an out-group.
still valid, take care of yourselves out there!
Many of the trans people I know struggle with their dichotomous nature. They don't necessarily see their natural body as something to be celebrated. I know that is far from universal among trans people but it's something people often see from outside the culture looking in.
I said I don't see being transgender as something unnatural or a 'big middle finger' to either nature or tradition. not liking your body doesn't necessarily mean that correcting it is in opposition to 'nature'
Something like capitalism has been more of a 'big middle finger' to nature and traditional cultures than any other force in history, certainly more so than trans people. Humans have expressed being trans long before things like capitalism and 'traditional' family structures too.
it's just sad seeing people latch onto nonsense philosophy and self destruct pointlessly
Is it something you're interested in discussing further?
sure thing, feel free to message me if you prefer!
First I would like to say that homicide or even violence are not valid expressions of antinatalism. I have to confess I share some similar views to those expressed (but apparently not fully embraced or informed by compassion) by the bomber, which makes this all the more disturbing to me. I find myself wanting to advocate, not for the bomber, but for some of his views, and that's a hard distinction for people to make sometimes. I also want to offer people some insight into what he might have felt and thought by providing context for some of the seemingly radical things he said, because I think most people should be able to understand his point of view if they wish, whether or not they agree with it. But you might not want to relate to a terrorist, and I don't want to engage if it makes you feel invalidated or challenged. Particularly since you may find his views to be anti-trans and dangerous.
What bothers me is that there's real problems in the world stemming from our political economy and the fixation on human growth is missing a far more consequential component- capitalist mode of production.
That particular political economy is what requires that the market is ever-increasing in size or else it collapses. From my position it's disappointing that someone looking for answers like this person was instead spiraled off into misanthropy rather than finding their way to more effective criticisms for that current political economy which is killing us.
These aren't new revelations, they have been getting expressed for over a hundred years at this point. Young people landing on antinatalism to me looks like it's a consequence of many decades of red scare and purges of anything critical of capitalism in education and culture, leaving people looking for answers anywhere they can find them.