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[-] destructdisc@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The money wasted in electric car subsidies is much better spent on mass transit and cycling and pedestrianization initiatives, all of which move far more people at much less cost per person. Electric cars are being posited as the solution (as opposed to drastically improved mass transit) because that's the only way auto companies can stay relevant and maintain their supremacy

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Also we should be looking to reduce car use because car infrastructure is incredibly expensive and environmentally destructive.

Electric cars still need ashphault, make tire dust, require salted roads. Roads will still have surface water run off contaminated and artificially heated damaging natural water ways. Roads will need to be repaved more often due to EVs weighing more.

By the end of day, we are barely getting ahead environmentally with EVs if at all. Some EVs like an electric hummer will generate more carbon through their lifecycle (production, use, and disposal) than an ICE compact car.

[-] Plaidboy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

So what do you suggest? No cars allowed at all? Even in European countries with strong public transportation cars are still useful and allowed (except in crowded city areas). It's hard to imagine life out in the boonies without access to a car...

I think we should pursue better public transportation primarily, but I also think efforts to make electric vehicles better are an important piece of the puzzle to transporting ourselves sustainably.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I claimed reduce car use, not no cars at all. If we cut car trips in half in favor of walking, biking, or transit thats a huge improvement. Car dependancy has other issues as well with land use causing sprawl and strip malls, which often sit abandoned and a new development is built further down the road. I think reducing car use and improving density and livability of cities goes hand in hand.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yup. Even if we don't reduce the number of cars, driving them less often is a massive benefit.

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