Hey m@tes, as y'all know, this instance has been anti-corporate GenAI positive since it's creation and as such we've typically allowed such content to be posted freely. However in the last few weeks we've had a bunch of drama from GenAI haters who insist on coming into our comms and starting slap-fights. This caused us to vote on a new rule to have the mandate to clear out this constant friction. This worked to an extent, but I think we can help foster a better community with the larger threadiverse.
One issue a lot of anti-GenAI people keep bringing is that while they can block dedicated comms like !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com, they don't have an easy option to avoid GenAI content in random other /0 comms as there's no way to filter it out. This kind of content has been seen to cause a lot of strife, because people complain about its existence, while /0 admins and mods based on the above rule, tend to sanction those complaining. This then causes drama loops with /c/YPTB and /c/FuckAI etc.
There is a good point to be made here that while we don't mind GenAI content in /0, there isn't a reason to not help others avoid it. So we want to institute the following soft rule by now:
Simply tag your posts which consist of primarily GenAI content with the [GenAI] tag in their title. Not only will frontends like Tesseract will natively parse this as a tag and display it accordingly, but people who dislike such content, can simply filter it out of their feeds. Eventually lemmy will add tags which will make this tagging more seamless, but for now a manual tag in the title will suffice.
This rule only applies to posts in non-explicit GenAI comms. The assumption is that people can simply block those comms completely anyway.
As I said, this is a soft rule for now. Soft in the sense that you're not going to be sanctioned for forgetting it, but we hope people will remind you to do so. This is a good-faith attempt by us to co-exist and help others avoid what they don't want to stumble onto, much like [NSFW] tags. So I hope you'll add do a good faith attempt to help us in this. Furthermore, people who come to posts tagged as GenAI explicitly to scold and start slap-fights, will give the admins and easier justification to clean up, since they could have just filtered out that content in the first place.
Cheers
Good, AI art fucking sucks.
Can I ask what compelled you to join db0 after reading the sidebar? Honestly curious. If I hated AI that much, after seeing the tagline, I would have noped out.
As someone who feels similarly about AI art, but joined db0 anyway: I like the other things they got going on and I'm not stupid enough to whine and complain about the one thing I don't like. (I guess, technically this is doing some of that but shut up xD)
It's like if I went to a bar that has a bunch of games in it, and one is a bunch of pool tables or something and I really hate pool, I'm not gonna throw a fuss demanding they remove it? Some people like it even if I think it's not that cool.
I don't think it was a prominent feature when I joined, AI imagery in general wasn't quite as popular or sophisticated at the time. And even if I disagree with that point, it's not a deal breaker and db0 is still far better than many other instances.
FYI: The "Generate Art" part of the sidebar tagline was there since day 1
Can't be art with no artist, just 'generated illustration'
I know, those are my favorite use cases 😏
Is AI porn better for the women or does it take away the jobs of context creators?
You all seem so shocked. Are you all unaware that a common use of AI is the creation of sexual depictions of children? I'm not advocating it, I'm just stating it as a reality, because it is.
Dude what the actual fuck???
Are you uh.. speaking from experience?
Um what?
I guess they're implying that AI generated CP might be reducing demand for real CP? I don't even know how to feel about that, what a fucked world we live in
I'm saying that children are harmed by the production of CP, but not by AI-created materials.
Ai generated cp is still cp and still illegal
It probably depends on where you live, but what I was considering was the degree of harm done to children only.
Yeah we need a clarification of that statement
I like it. That's the thing about art. Some people like it. Some people don't. You don't get to define what is or isn't art for me. I get to define it for me. That's what's so awesome about it.
Also, get used to it. AI isn't ever ever going away. This is just the beginning. So pace your hate.
It's fine if people like it, it just gives me a gross and uncomfortable feeling when I see it and makes me sad that one of the first careers killed by AI could be illustrators.
This isn’t the first career to get steamrolled by new tech. That’s just how society works: new tools replace old jobs.
Did you feel this bad when factory workers in the Midwest lost jobs to robots and outsourcing? What about when textile machines wiped out jobs in Alabama? Or when electric streetlights put out-of-work the guys who used to light lamps by hand?
Did anyone mourn the bank tellers who lost their jobs to ATMs?
My point is, artists aren’t more special than the folks who came before. Tech changes things. It always has.
I was a professional artist for 35 years, I did design, illustration, layouts for marketing companies. Now AI can do all of that faster and better. A company would be crazy to pay me what I used to make. And you know what? I’m fine with that. I embraced it. I love new tech.
People who still want to paint/illustrate by hand can. People who still wanna buy their stuff can. Probably not full time job doing it anymore. Just like anything else. They are not special. MOST people work at jobs they don't like to pay the bills, then do their passion on the side.
If ya have a family to feed, you don't cry about not getting a job to illustrate the latest Flash comic book or your favorite DnD dungeon guide. You go get a job and put food on the table. And draw on the weekends.
Welcome to life. And we still have it way easier than the generations before us did. I know. Because I'm old. As bad as you think things are now, it's better than when I was coming up.
Until we get UBI, we gotta deal with what we have. But the idiot capitalist duopoly here in the US that Lemmy worships, is very much against UBI, so that's gonna take a while.
Meh, I love AI, so...
While art will likely never be completely replaced by AI due to passionate people doing it because they want to anyway, the fact that it is becoming less and less viable of a career path is depressing. Far less people will pursue art even as a hobby in a society that requires working and won't pay for art.
I don't think any Midwest factory workers particularly loved their job. There was little passion or soul behind it. Machines are meant to replace menial hard labor, not passion.
But that is true about anything. Wood working, farming, furniture making, clothes making, soap making, journalists. Even before AI,people stopped paying well for journalism. And yes, some midwest people DID love their job. I know, because I grew up there in the 80's when it all happened. I watched ENTIRE TOWNS die because of job loss. That's way worse and more impactful that some dude not being able to draw comics like he dreamed of.
I'm not saying loss of jobs should be celebrated, I'm saying it's no different that what has happened before. And I was also around in the 90's and 00's when mass layoff happened and white-color people shrugged and smugly said, "Learn to code." To fucking farmers.
Now those same people are crying about "coding" jobs on the horizon of being eliminated.
The vast majority of people work jobs they don't love and they aren't passionate about. Artists are not more special than anyone else. People who are truly passionate and want to create, will keep creating. Just less will be able to do it as a sole source of income. But MOST people have never gotten to do their passion as a sole source of income.
Especially worldwide. Peopl are fucking spoiled. "Oh the UA is so hard now." "So scary." "Art jobs are going away!"
Ya'll need to fucking go live in the real world and see how good we have it compared to everyone else. There are people that work their fingers to the bone, every day all day, just to survive. And do it all their lives.
And you people are crying about art jobs going away. Give me a fucking break!
Again, I'm not celebrating it. But that's not where your "sad" should be aimed. Your "sad" should be aimed at the class warfare that happens everwhere.
Obviously many of us have it better in the US than most of the world, that doesn't mean we can't complain if it's actively getting worse and harder to live. I can't get enough work, I don't eat enough and struggle to afford rent, my family was homeless in the past. While it's better here and I'm not getting bombed like many people are, it doesn't mean people in the US aren't struggling too. I am sad at the class warfare aspect of AI more than anything, it is being used by the wealthy to increase their power and wealth further, and in my view by using their services we are aiding their goals, even if minimally.
Of course not. Yes, homelessness, rent, etc, those are real issues! And likely to get worse. For sure. And worth working on solutions.
Being mad because SkateboardCyberpunkFurry999 can't pursue art as a passion and draw naked anime all day because ai slop is posted on dbzer0, seems like an inane thing to cry about. And I am seeing a lot of crying about it. lmao
I don't disagree, tech continually makes work more efficient thus eliminating jobs, that's a natural trend that won't stop anytime soon. Sometimes the rollout can have avoidable harmful impacts though. Eli Whitney, inventor of the cotton gin, said it was maybe a mistake because with the increased efficiency of cotton harvesting it actually increased slave-labor and the profit for slavers before slavery was abolished.
The solution to the issues arising from it is not banning new tech, but there are only so many things we can do right now to limit the ecological impact, one thing is limiting use of this tech until it can be done with less energy usage. It also right now primarily benefits state-aligned tech companies like OpenAI. I'm not opposed to the development of technology in general.
I would say most times it's harmful in the beginning. But it happens and continue to happens. My rant is mostly about Lemmy's who are saying, "Ohhhh woe!!! Think of the artists!!! Oh Nooooooooo! My last Pokemon card looked like it has some AI on it! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!"
I'm saying we should think of the millions of people who barely survive every fucking day because of inequality and classism. Not just some fucking artist who can't illustrate their fav DnD wizards for a living!
Yeah, opponents of AI do, it's making that worse for everyone. Plenty of people can barely make ends meet and supplement that income with writing and art gigs. People that can afford better AI services for applying for jobs and writing resumes have an advantage. Companies that can afford the best AI will have an advantage over lower wealth companies. It's inevitable but we can at least try not to prop up the services that are furthering this.
But that's any tech advancement. Friend, I was a professional artist for a living for 35 years. I'm not gonna cry about someones writing and art gig disappearing. They are no more special than anyone who has to work at a job they aren't passionate about.
You AREN'T going to change anything. Brah, the vast majority of the population doesn't even care.
Do you think that Jeremiah Boondock, working at a gas station in Missouri, while doing tile jobs on the weekends, trying to make sure he can pay rent, cares if his box of macaroni and cheese has AI picture on the cover!?
Do you think he gives a fuck that you suspect some pokemon art wasn't drawn by hand?
Not only doesn't he care, he's not even aware of it.
Working a job you love?! The fuck? Most people have no idea what that is even like. It's not an option for the majority of the world. Never has been.
I'm not saying any of that is good. But crying about ai art is the most blatant variation I've seen of the saying, "first world problems."
Oh my God! LemmyFurryCyberpunkEatMyAssForPopcorn can't draw some anime for a living like he has wanted to since he was 10 years old!! What. The. Fuck.
Yeah, ok, sucks. But you boycotting on Lemmy isn't even going to make an echo of an impression. You can push your downvote button as hard as you can, stop buying the DnD guides that you suspect used AI for the Elf in the background.
No one will care. Nothing is going to happen. In fact, you'll stop the boycotting because there is AI so good you don't even know it's ai. You can only tell ai when it's bad. Good ai isn't noticed. Brah, your video game ad already used AI and you didn't know.
Friend, things are gonna get way worse, before they get better. So what I'm doing is just preparing for it. You cry, I'll prepare and adapt.
But yeah, you be sure to hit that downvote arrow as hard as you can whenever you see something AI on Lemmy. That'll show 'em! Right?!
I don't think it will make a difference in the grand scheme, I don't downvote, of all the issues right now I don't really care about AI very much. But there is a literal material cost to each use of AI and by not using it I am not contributing to that use of energy.
It's pretty funny sometimes though
I accidentally clicked on an AI video of Hank Hill rapping with all the characters from King of the hill and it was fucking hilarious and the song actually kind of slapped in a "bad music good" kind of way.
Do you have a link to that?
https://youtu.be/JAcBkwGwQjo
Holy fucking molly.
So do your opinions.
Well it looks like a majority here agree with my fuckin sucky opinion so that's cool at least
This ain't a popularity contest, you neckbeard redditor.
Lol you're the one instigating, you could have said nothing
He spoke his mind, which is allowed as far as I'm aware.
Well yeah but it's funny to call me a neckbeard redditor when they're being an asshole for no reason