Hey m@tes, as y'all know, this instance has been anti-corporate GenAI positive since it's creation and as such we've typically allowed such content to be posted freely. However in the last few weeks we've had a bunch of drama from GenAI haters who insist on coming into our comms and starting slap-fights. This caused us to vote on a new rule to have the mandate to clear out this constant friction. This worked to an extent, but I think we can help foster a better community with the larger threadiverse.
One issue a lot of anti-GenAI people keep bringing is that while they can block dedicated comms like !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com, they don't have an easy option to avoid GenAI content in random other /0 comms as there's no way to filter it out. This kind of content has been seen to cause a lot of strife, because people complain about its existence, while /0 admins and mods based on the above rule, tend to sanction those complaining. This then causes drama loops with /c/YPTB and /c/FuckAI etc.
There is a good point to be made here that while we don't mind GenAI content in /0, there isn't a reason to not help others avoid it. So we want to institute the following soft rule by now:
Simply tag your posts which consist of primarily GenAI content with the [GenAI] tag in their title. Not only will frontends like Tesseract will natively parse this as a tag and display it accordingly, but people who dislike such content, can simply filter it out of their feeds. Eventually lemmy will add tags which will make this tagging more seamless, but for now a manual tag in the title will suffice.
This rule only applies to posts in non-explicit GenAI comms. The assumption is that people can simply block those comms completely anyway.
As I said, this is a soft rule for now. Soft in the sense that you're not going to be sanctioned for forgetting it, but we hope people will remind you to do so. This is a good-faith attempt by us to co-exist and help others avoid what they don't want to stumble onto, much like [NSFW] tags. So I hope you'll add do a good faith attempt to help us in this. Furthermore, people who come to posts tagged as GenAI explicitly to scold and start slap-fights, will give the admins and easier justification to clean up, since they could have just filtered out that content in the first place.
Cheers
What about that mod banning people from ai communities before they could block the community?
If they don't want to see the AI communities anyway, is that really a problem?
One person said they can't block communities that banned them
If that's the case, it sounds like a bug that needs to be addressed.
Why do you need to block something you are banned from?
So they don't see it
Then people who hate ai should be grateful, because they don't want anything to do with that community anyway. :)
However, it doesn't feel good to have it happen. Especially since db0 is an instance against the abuse of power. You go about your day and see a comment you disagree with. You downvote it. The commenter winds up being a mod somewhere else and bans you from their communities.
That doesn't seem fair, does it? And using the excuse of "preemptively banning an AI downvote troll" is not a very good one. If they had been banned after they had gone in to just downvote everyone talking about AI in a community, okay. But you shouldn't be able to "Minority Report" people.
Som of the bans were used as a form of disrespect. You can't tell me some of the bans weren't done just to piss the other person off because they were pissed off, no matter which way you sugar coat it. If you don't like being downvoted, you probably just shouldn't comment or post on any platform with that mechanic.
I have never even looked into how to see who's downvoted me. I don't want to. That person had an opinion that didn't align with mine. That's it and that's all it should be. The act of viewing and banning who's downvoted who should really only be used when there's an obvious troll in the community who's already mass downvoted everything in the community.
The arguments against preemptive bans feel petty and are coming from a place of someone who hasn't moderated. You're basically saying that as a mod if I see someone being a troll, or brigading, or saying (threatening) they're going to that I should just sit by and wait for them to do so. Especially when a large proportion of these trolls are willing to go above and beyond to be hurtful and spiteful.
This is what we're dealing with here:
Yeah, those dipshits outright impersonated and bullied me saying weird and gross crap like this.
So no I'm not going to sit by and watch people from the sidelines until they target me and my community and no one else should either. People want to be shitheads they should expect to find themselves banned from places they never heard of for being shitheads. Don't like it? Stop being a shithead. And yes that does include obvious forms of brigading like going to someone's profile and downvoting every comment they posted, or downvoting every post in a community, or downvoting all the comments under a post.
There's no easy solution to this, because people who aren't doing stupid shit like that are still getting caught in the crossfire.
I don't envy your position. Its the main reason I haven't started a community, even though I've had the itch to make a proper modded minecraft and kratom communities.
I do get it. You have to protect your community first and foremost... I just wish there was a better solution. I've been thinking and thinking about it and coming up empty, tbh.
That's much different than see a comment you disagree with, then go to every single post and comment the person has made and downvote it. Then create a fucking bot to downvote it. Which has happened and been documented plenty of times on Lemmy.
I've been banned from communities I never even heard of, much less visited. Seem like places i don't wanna be anyway then.
It's why I dislike the entire voting system. Too many people abuse it and try to generate narratives.
On the other hand, I'm not THAT passionate about it. It's fucking Lemmy. No one has even heard of Lemmy, few people are here, and internet points don't mean anything in the real world. People take all of this way too seriously. They can change the voting system or not, I'm not that invested in it either way. We're already starting to stagment, and I think we are actually going to start getting smaller or start growing way slower.
It's too much for normies to figure out when it comes to joining. So only the nerdiest of nerds and many with compulsive/society issues join here. So it gets overly political and and overly passionate about the smallest things.
After that point it becomes harassment, yes. What I'm talking about here is that not everyone is mass downvoting and they still get banned. Some people are scrolling through sometimes completely separate communities, downvoting a couple things, and getting banned from totally different, unrelated communities. That's the part that shouldn't be okay.
And I agree with you. I think the whole voting system is literally a dopamine chase for most and honestly not really relevant to a constructive debate. It seems Lemmy overcomplicates this by letting people see votes, though like I said, I haven't gone about finding out how. The only thing I like about voting is that it lets me know that people have read what I've written.
Its good that you have that view of being banned, but others can be genuinely hurt, which starts shit like this (this whole fiasco isn't just about AI), and then the whole instance gets dragged into it. Back when I was on reddit, I asked a simple question in a sub. A mod came in and started being completely rude to me for no reason, no matter how much I tried to discuss things with them. It got heated on both sides. The mod changed all his replies to nice, friendly ones and banned me so I got left looking like a clown.
People like that mod are people that do get too passionate about things like reddit and lemmy, and they can be hurtful to others. I'm not just saying that its db0; its mostly power-crazy mods, no matter which instance.
Yeah. There's a very active Lemmy poster who actually screenshots people's history of how many downvotes their comments have. He posts it to make his point. Bad form and he only does it to try to shame people and says variations of "See? We can't take this person seriously, look how many downvotes he has on his record. Obviously people disagree with him! So you should too!"
That right there is how downvoting is getting weaponized. He's done it to me. Several times. And the posts are still up. The fact that that guy, and several others, will look up how many of your comments have been downvoted, screenshot it, post it, and tell everyone how much you are unliked, is pure bullying. And he takes so much glee in it.
Another reason that I think voting should be done away with. If "views" wanna be tallied it up but we can't vote up or down, so we know how active something is, that's fine. But too many people weaponize downvoting/upvoting here.
Yeah, it just seems like an all around bad idea that had good initial intentions of transparency. I've thought about this a lot, honestly. Something like "views" won't really work. I sort of started thinking that a pair of glasses might do. That's it, nothing else.
The glasses symbol would count as a "Read this!" which can be construed as "I read this" or "you should read this", preceeded by the number of people that read it. Heck, just getting rid of downvotes would work. I usually save my downvotes for extremely hateful or prejudiced posts/comments, not comments I disagree with.
In the end, downvotes are the most abused. At least a "# read this" tag would denote the most useful or contributing comments. Sure, people will abuse it for their own benefit, but at least it can't be used to shit on people or communities.
Its not the best solution, but I agree that downvotes and upvotes are becoming archaic relics of a bygone era. There must be a better and more modern solution.
Yea, I actualy am not bright enough to have a solution. I just see that Lemmy is just becoming more and more toxic because of how people are using their votes to control narratives lately.
I don't really see the issue with that, its just a mod doing that, no admins.
I don't think anyone annoyed about being banned from there wanted to engage with the community properly anyway.