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[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 weeks ago

Your ID and associated government software.

The government will know who you are, but not what you are requesting the token for. The site will know what the token is for, but will not know who is presenting it.

Imagine it like buying an old fashioned paper bus ticket, in places where tickets are anonymous and interchangeable. The ticket vending machine will get your card info, but will not know what you'll do with the ticket. Maybe you'll board a bus, maybe you'll trade it to a vagrant for a blowie. The ticket machine won't judge or connect the blowie to your payment info.

Then the vagrant or the bus driver will not get your card payment info either, they'll only get the ticket, which you could have gotten anywhere, including by blowing someone for it. The bus ticket is the token, it only confirms payment, not identity.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The government will know who you are, but not what you are requesting the token for.

Unfortunately, things don’t work like that. There are a nearly infinite number of ways for the identity provider to figure that out.

The site will know what the token is for, but will not know who is presenting it.

Same as above.

Wherever you go, whatever you do, there are many entities already tracking you that know precisely who you are and what you are doing. All such legislation would do is add governments to the list. There is no safe or anonymous version version of an identity provider.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 week ago

There are a nearly infinite number of ways for the identity provider to figure that out.

Name one.

[-] valion@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

What is there to stop the government from later issuing a request to the service owner/operator, by court order, for a list of those verified and the tokens used to verify them (thus linking the accounts and their data to the individuals and their identities)?

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

The same thing that stops them from doing the same thing right now to the ISP.

BTW the government will not have the tokens, they will be created on your device, in an auditable way, using OSS.

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