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[-] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago

No so does France. Proton helped convict a French environmental activist by providing the courts full access to their private proton account.

[-] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 2 points 3 weeks ago

Proton nor Tuta nor anybody else is above the law, you can read independant reports on the matter https://scroll.in/article/1084862/why-a-court-ban-on-encrypted-email-service-proton-mail-has-sparked-digital-privacy-fears or Proton's own post about it https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest

But I don't believe that their entire account was shared with the police, but if that actually did happen and you have a proper source for it I gotta think to move my mail after all, so could you please share with the class where you read this?

[-] philpo@feddit.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Tbh, it's not the worst thing when a service does that. There are cases where it is indicated - cartels, CSAM, etc. do not deserve a safe haven. The bad part about the France issue is the fact that the Swiss court system willfully allowed a case that was not per se illegal in Switzerland and had rather controversial legal grounds in France to proceed. This is very similar to the cases where Switzerland simply ignored their own laws under pressure from the US government in terms of bank accounts 15 years earlier.

This is rather concerning and many Swiss legal experts did not share the opinion of Proton that there was nothing Proton could have done.

[-] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe Proton could have done more, but maybe not on the other hand the ISP is also wrong for supplying the name that goes with the IP. (yes I know that's deflection, but still).

I personally feel like we need to find a middle ground between personal privacy and being able to stop criminals/terrorists/fraud etc.

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