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[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

A lot of ordinary people also say they want to do everything they can against climate change but then fail to make their own simple sacrafices like reusable cups, walking instead of driving, keeping the heat lower in winter etc. Everyone wants to end climate change but without sacraficing any modern conveniences

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Paper straws are not winning this battle, it’s a massive problem which must be solved at an institutional scale. This requires governments to participate, not individuals.

[-] killingspark@feddit.org 0 points 4 months ago

Gouvernements in man places dont exist separate from the individuals. Individuals voted for these governments. It's one of the many small contributions our parents could have made but didn't.

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

You live in one of those places where the people you vote for do things you want, huh? Must be nice.

[-] Foreigner@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

We can point fingers at governments and companies all day long, but unless something motivates them to change they're not going to. Right now the only real mechanisms we have at our disposal are our votes and our wallets. If people throw up their hands and can't even be arsed to leverage either of those things, nothing will change. Telling ourselves it's someone else's fault and doing nothing is the pinnacle of being part of the problem.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

People are using their votes and their wallets though. Not everyone, but more and more people all the time. Basic ecological awareness in the general population is higher than it ever was for our parents and grandparents, and there will always be more an individual could do.

Blaming individuals just creates an unreachable vague goal. What level of buy in in the general population will be enough? How many people have to live up to some arbitrary goal line until we can start holding companies fucking accountable? Or even just holding rich individuals doing shit like work commute by private fucking plane accountable?

Always just a little bit more. No, hybrids aren't enough, you need to go full EV. EVs aren't enough, how is the electricity being generated? No, you aren't doing enough until you have no car and walk everywhere. Just keep chasing that moving target. Oh, you might be doing it all right, but too many of your neighbors aren't, so now you have to drag them kicking and screaming into it too. The companies and the rich will definitely start caring with just a little more work from the middle class and the poor. Just a little more now. They definitely won't use every dirty trick in the book to avoid losing profits.

If someone keeps getting papercuts on their fingers, and also a bullet wound in the corresponding shoulder, you focus on the bullet wound first. Doesn't mean that you ignore the fingers, you just have to prioritize, and not claim that slapping bandaids on the fingers will somehow close up the shoulder.

[-] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago

I would gladly sacrifice modern conveniences as part of a societal shift towards degrowth, but it's psychologically and socially taxing not to choose convenience when it is available. I want these conveniences taken away from me, or taxed into inconvenience.

And perhaps most importantly, when these conveniences are taken away at scale we can replace them at scale with other good things, the way we can't when making individual choices.

I do not want to drive but I can't buy a place in a walkable neighborhood when capitalism refuses to build them. I want to save on heating by living in an intentional community but society is so atomized and group housing so rare that I can't find one to call home.

The solution to a tragedy of the commons is not to have a few people still pay into the commons, it's to rebuild the system around the commons that makes it the best choice for you personally to support the commons and take sustainably.

[-] bbsm3678@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

I gladly vote for politicians who will pass climate laws and regulations, but individual actions by me will not change anything.

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