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[-] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago

This is what I think every time I see this socialist / capitalist dichotomy set up:

also I know Im not using the meme right.

[-] zoodlenoodle@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Allowing capitalist relations to persist, even if basic goods like food and homes were nationalized, enables a society in which capitalist profiteers continue to operate. History shows pretty explicitly that Capital will use the levers of power that exist, like The State, to eat away at or overturn any socialistic advances. E.g., suddenly the luxury capitalist corporation that sells idk, pearls, is lobbying (bribing) their way into privatizing beaches from which they operate. Slowly but surely the socioeconomic relations produced under capitalism foment and claw their way back to their former position. This requires a constant, indefinitely revolutionary society to keep capitalist relations at bay; that sort of momentum is not possible to sustain, certainly at the current moment.

It's necessary to abolish capitalists as a class because leaving capitalist systems of relations alone enables them to continue to re-produce themselves.

That doesn't preclude this sort of dual-economic setup from being a good thing, just insufficient.

[-] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

yeah I guess from my point of view all the systems for distributing resources and power 'fairly' fail on their own. Mostly because they usually silo power in 1 or 2 mechanisms, so power concentrates and corrupts over time.

Also from a systems engineering standpoint -I dislike 'purity'. I prefer blended systems with backups and counter-measures. If I want to know which systems work best I look at what is delivering the best results and right now for me thats the nordic socialist democracies which still have plenty of capitalism.

Im not saying we've arrived at the best and should stop improving, but Im not interested in the endless hypothetical arguments about which ideology would be best if perfectly implemented. They are never perfectly implemented so best design something that can withstand reality.

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