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From LIFE Magazine, August, 1946
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Ah, yes, the good ol' oreo and potato chip diet.
I roll my eyes whenever any of these diet comparisons come up, because comparing a vegan diet to an omnivorous diet doesn't really take into account diet quality, which is likely a far more significant factor in health outcomes than what particular diet cult you join. An omnivore who exclusively gets all their food from the local organic farmer's market is going to have better health outcomes than the vegan with a pantry full of oreos. I don't even think organic food is any healthier for you - I just think that simply giving a shit about your health and acting on it will produce better health outcomes, and everything else is either genetic or negligible. Which accounts for some amount of the improved health outcomes for vegans and vegetarians - there is so much hype about how they are "healthy" diets that people who are already more inclined to care about their health choose to adopt these diets.
Like, should you eat a carnivore diet for the rest of your life? Probably not. But that doesnt mean that a grilled steak with a side of potatoes and broccoli is bad for you. It's fine. Assuming you eat a healthy diet and live a generally healthy life, maybe skipping meat would add on a year or two. Great, now you die at 82 instead of 80 - 2 more years of achey joints and incontinence while you rot in a nursing home, woohoo!
Personally, I'd rather just enjoy my life and die a little sooner.
[Paper] A case study of overfeeding 3 different diets - 2021
This is the only study, a stunt case study, I've found that actually does a serious comparison of different diet compositions. 5800 calories over feeding, 3 weeks, 3 month washout - vegan, low fat, keto
You might find it interesting
I actually read that study. And I seriously doubt that you did. I bet. You just glanced over the end result. Thought it aligned with your views, and called it a day.
It's probably the most meaningless study I've ever seen.
You cannot draw any meaningful conclusion from it at all. Mostly, because they used, one singular. Test subject.
I'll say that again. They used 1 person. That's it. No control group. No ethnical diversity among test subjects. Just one guy.
Just to point out how incredibly useless that is. When they do studies on various methods of working out. They use hundreds if not thousands of people. Men and women. And in these studies. You will see, that some individuals, lose muscle mass. They do the same thing as everyone else. 99% of participants gain muscle mass of various degrees, but 1% will lose muscle mass.
Imagine if your study was done, on just that 1 person that lost muscle mass. Are you going to conclude that lifting weights will result in negative gains?
It's genuinely so funny that their attitude is "A wall of meta-analyses? Is that all you have?" And then they post a single case study they haven't read like it's some kind of slam dunk.
It's pigeon chess when these morons show up.
You actually READ the study? AND somehow missed my 500 word writeup on it? Or you read my writeup and thought I wrote it from pure imagination? Why not give grace to someone trying to have a dialog and extend the benefit of the doubt? Why the immediate hostility?
proof I read the case study
Yes, that is what case study means. Also... i called it a stunt case study, but it is the only serious comparison of dietary composition I've seen.
Since you READ the study, how do you account for waist circumference reduction on a hypercaloric ketogenic diet? Do you not find it inline with the carbohydrate insulin model of obesity? After all, this is exactly how Diabulimia works
I don't know how to account for ANYTHING, in that "study". Since it was only done on one, singular, individual. The only thing we can learn from it. Is how this one person, personally, react to various diets while on a surplus caloric intake.
If you KNEW, it was only done on one singular individual, why the hell are you now calling it "the only serious comparison of dietary composition I've seen". The fact that the only participant is a singular individual, means that it's NOT a serious comparison. You're contradicting yourself because you're unable to keep up. Trying to link this and market it as something of value is incompetence at best and purposefully disingenuous at worst.
Like I already said. when studies on workout methods are performed, you will get ~1% of participants that lose muscle mass, while the remaining 99% gain muscle mass of various degrees. I sincerely hope, you can extrapolate on how useless performing a study on just a single person then is. For all you know. That person is in the 0.01 percentile of people that will react in extreme ways beyond the norm. And since you're not testing on anyone else. You have NOTHING to compare it to.
I can't find it, anything. It's one person. Do you not understand? It doesn't matter how "inline with XYZ model" you might think it is, or isn't. It's useless without a proper sample-size. Arguably useless without a control group to eliminate bias.
The study holds no merit. The methodology is extremely flawed, and you cannot use the data from this one person, to draw any conclusions on the general population.
Agreed, case studies are curiosities that should be a catalyst for more formal research.
A case study wouldn't get published if it covered a area already well published. The fact it exists means its in a novel area. I invite you to provide a better reference of a serious comparison of dietary composition. This case is novel in that its not epidemiology, its a intervention, it uses reasonable washouts, its the same individual on each course, and we know exactly what they were eating. Yes N=1, but you have to start somewhere.
You are making assumptions about my motivations which are not correct. The fact you haven't actually talked about the content of the study and are hyper focused on that it is a case study tells me your not actually interested in discussing the literature.
Yes, I agree, because its a case study.
I don't even know what your position is on the literature, you have only established you don't find value in case studies.
You haven't even the grace to apologize for your demonstrably false accusations - At this point I think your just a argumentative misanthrope.
That was interesting. Thank you for sharing!
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