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A heat pump is £10k to buy and install, that ain't cheap. In fact that would buy me enough wood to heat my house for 50 winters.
Comparing the initial costs of one with the upkeep costs of the other surely is a way to make a bad argument sound more sensible.
Pretty sure heat pumps have higher maintenance costs as well.
Fire is dirt cheap, that's why a good chunk of the world still uses it as their principal source of cooking and heating. They're not doing it for the vibes.
Hear pumps are great, they have many advantages but cost is not one. Hopefully that'll change.
Not saying it's for free once set up, that would be silly. I just like fair comparisons. 🙂 I don't concur though that it's more expensive though.
Heavily depends where you live of course, but in Western Europe and many other "western" nations wood / lumber has become awfully expensive with no indication of it changing, so newer homes are most likely more financially efficient to use a heatpump (especially if you're able to also afford a few solar panels). We don't have to fear week-long outages either (even the extremely unlikely case of a national outage like in Spain is fully resolved within 3 days), so even if you don't have some solar panels and a small battery to power the pump the likelihood of you ever needing a fire to warm up in a new building (which are well insulated) is absurdly tiny. And those pumps really don't need a lot of power.
Given costs for lumber and regular professional cleaning and maintenance (again, depending on where you live) I'd assume a fireplace with chimney to be at least equally expensive if not more, at least in countries with no easy access to lumber and proper regulations in place (so most of the "developed" countries, assumably). If you have proper quality studies to prove me otherwise please go ahead, it's all just opinion so far. The only ones I know are comparisons between either heatpumps and classical heating solutions, or comparisons of CO² emitions.
Deep down you really know that it would only last you like 7 years including the cost of buying and installing a fireplace. Then you gotta pay for a shed/cover to keep the wood dry and storage of it for at least a year.
Nope.
Fireplace is a mistake - it will make most of the house colder. What you want is a wood stove, and a simple metal chimney is much cheaper than the brick one you're imagining.
Also, a shed isn't needed - make a round pile (shaker pile or holzhauzen) and shingle it with the bark (or a tarp if you're lazy). Drying takes 6-9 months, not a year, but I like not to be rushed so I try to keep two piles - one I'm building over the warm months, and when the cold months come I pull from the other that had a year to season.
As for space, they don't take much. A 6' tall cylinder with a 5'' radius holds about 4 cords once the cone on top is taken into account. I find a 4' radius easier to manage, but that's closer to 2.5 cords.
Nope not thinking of an old style one. That sound like so much effort. I would rather press a button to have the hear come on. And if is too hot. Press a button to turn it off. And also not need any space for a pile of wood
Then you’re paying for convenience, not heating. Whole different ballgame.
Playing less money and the convenience to have my whole house heated! Ofcourse!
Less money over 10 or 20 years sure. Short term you're paying way more.
If I had 20k EUR to spend, I'd get a heat pump too. Unfortunately I’m stuck with my 40 year old furnace that’s completely manual. If I were to replace the whole thing with an automatic modern one that burns pellets, it’d be under 10k, and a regular one maybe 5k.
I do have an air source heat pump but that is more of a supplemental heater and summertime cooler. I'd need 5 of these to heat the whole house and my electric bill would far exceed what I spend on briquettes for the winter.
What does it cost to buy and install a wood burner?
£2k. And £50 a year for a chimney sweep.
Unless you're cheap like me and buy the brush yourself.