Modlog: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog/25693?page=1&actionType=All&userId=21053985 , banned by @goat@sh.itjust.works
For context, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, and got into a few arguments.
More context:
It started (to my knowledge) with this comment, goat pinged db0 after he downvoted a comment
a note on the uyghurs (click to show
For the record, I believe that the Uyghurs are mistreated by the CCP, and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses, but there's a lack of evidence that it's a genocide specifically (especially since it seems to target the religion, rather than the ethnic group).
Goat banned IndustryStandard, leading to this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/ leading to goat commenting this:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21070262
He mentions this:
We constantly encounter bots, spammers, alt accounts, trolls, and doxxers, so I need to be vigilant by regularly checking who’s interfering and from where.
Which I find ironic, since there was some vote manipulation happening, which goat did nothing about (and could be behind), but I'll get to that later.
After some more arguments, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, saying that letting tankie users engage on dbzer0 comms means other users are tankies:
He said that it's different for LW (lemmy.world) and SJW (sh.itjust.works, not the other word). He then poster the "Tank Man" picture to !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, as he expected us to retaliate (being tankies, according to him). We did not, in fact, retaliate: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21089819
He also posted this in tankiejerk: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52268655, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20733015.
He also may have done vote manipulation, and at the very least allowed it.
Take, for example, this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21091723
Per lemvotes, it was downvoted by the following users:
The relevant ones here are:
- zedbite@lemmy.world,
- Alpacaaca@lemmy.cafe,
- chirichiri@sh.itjust.works.
If you look through other comments, they downvoted me and other users near-systemically, while upvoting comments made by goat.
For example, take a look at their (respective) lemvotes profile pages: https://lemvotes.org/user/zedbite@lemmy.world https://lemvotes.org/user/Alpacaaca@lemmy.cafe https://lemvotes.org/user/chirichiri@sh.itjust.works
They have all downvoted exclusively arguments against goat and others, and were made almost at the same time.
After a bit more arguing (I'm not posting the specific comments because it's tedious, and they're easy to see by scrolling through goat's profile.) goat decided to ban all dbzer0 users from meanwhileongrad, I think this comment marks when he decided to do this, but I may be wrong.
note on the post that comment was in reply to
I think this reply (by unruffled) was taken out of context. Unruffled is absolutely not defending what's happening to the Uyghurs, they're saying that a lot of people have a double standard, where they will not hesitate to condemn the Uyghur genocide, but hesitate on the gaza one, especially when the gaza one is more severe and urgent. To quote them directly:
Yes, that's exactly what I was saying but of course they misrepresented it. You know exactly what Americans are like. They couldn't give a shit about the uyghurs, except as a way to China bash and feel superior. I also explicitly said later in the comments I agreed it was a genocide. They're just doin' the usual bad faith takes.
Feel free to quote me lol
Since this goat had been banned from dbzer0 for being hostile:
https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=63615
Two notes on your Uighurs note:
1- You can absolutely have religion-based genocide. Our old friend ISIS has one under its belt.
2- The Uighurs are absolutely being targeted for their ethnicity. I mean, even the official excuse is Uighur separatism. That's why characteristics of Uighur culture and language unrelated to religion are also being targeted. It's also why the other Muslim groups in China (and there are many of them; Uighurs aren't even the largest Muslim ethnic group in China) aren't targeted like the Uighurs are. The goal is to make Turkic peoples in Xinjiang either cease to matter or cease to exist; the fact that those groups tend to be majority Muslim is a geographical coincidence.
Here I am once more asking libs to install xiaohongshu and look for Uighur culture and language being celebrated and shared among chinese people on a chinese app. It's so easy to debunk this stuff yourself, try it.
"Well, how can their culture be erased if people meme it?!??"
That's what it sounded like. Also just because their culture and language are being celebrated, it means nothing if nobody practices it.
Its not memes though, its people practicing their culture, showing the uighur script, language, cooking uighur food and wearing traditional clothes. Whole street festivals filmed and shared for the whole world and the chinese first to see. The very things that are being claimed to be erased are celebrated and you can see it for yourself. If nothing else learn something about the culture you are so defensive of.
Of course, because of Jason Bourne and the Han Supremacy. As we know from the features of the Mongoloid brain pan, Han Chinese are ruthless, devious, and have little regard for human life.
This shit is just wypipo projecting their 500 years of racist, imperialist, genocidal history onto their perceived enemy today. It’s re-warmed orientalism for the new cold war. Uyghurs have lived there for centuries, but now all of a sudden the Han want to wipe them from existence, because… what? They woke up on the wrong side of the bed at the turn of the millennium?
Why would people of a millennia-long multi-ethnic culture, whose standard of living has been steadily improving over the last several decades with no sign of stopping, want to go on a genocidal rampage?
This is "everything I don't like is antisemitism" levels of denialism.