Modlog: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog/25693?page=1&actionType=All&userId=21053985 , banned by @goat@sh.itjust.works
For context, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, and got into a few arguments.
More context:
It started (to my knowledge) with this comment, goat pinged db0 after he downvoted a comment
a note on the uyghurs (click to show
For the record, I believe that the Uyghurs are mistreated by the CCP, and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses, but there's a lack of evidence that it's a genocide specifically (especially since it seems to target the religion, rather than the ethnic group).
Goat banned IndustryStandard, leading to this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/ leading to goat commenting this:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21070262
He mentions this:
We constantly encounter bots, spammers, alt accounts, trolls, and doxxers, so I need to be vigilant by regularly checking who’s interfering and from where.
Which I find ironic, since there was some vote manipulation happening, which goat did nothing about (and could be behind), but I'll get to that later.
After some more arguments, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, saying that letting tankie users engage on dbzer0 comms means other users are tankies:
He said that it's different for LW (lemmy.world) and SJW (sh.itjust.works, not the other word). He then poster the "Tank Man" picture to !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, as he expected us to retaliate (being tankies, according to him). We did not, in fact, retaliate: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21089819
He also posted this in tankiejerk: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52268655, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20733015.
He also may have done vote manipulation, and at the very least allowed it.
Take, for example, this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21091723
Per lemvotes, it was downvoted by the following users:
The relevant ones here are:
- zedbite@lemmy.world,
- Alpacaaca@lemmy.cafe,
- chirichiri@sh.itjust.works.
If you look through other comments, they downvoted me and other users near-systemically, while upvoting comments made by goat.
For example, take a look at their (respective) lemvotes profile pages: https://lemvotes.org/user/zedbite@lemmy.world https://lemvotes.org/user/Alpacaaca@lemmy.cafe https://lemvotes.org/user/chirichiri@sh.itjust.works
They have all downvoted exclusively arguments against goat and others, and were made almost at the same time.
After a bit more arguing (I'm not posting the specific comments because it's tedious, and they're easy to see by scrolling through goat's profile.) goat decided to ban all dbzer0 users from meanwhileongrad, I think this comment marks when he decided to do this, but I may be wrong.
note on the post that comment was in reply to
I think this reply (by unruffled) was taken out of context. Unruffled is absolutely not defending what's happening to the Uyghurs, they're saying that a lot of people have a double standard, where they will not hesitate to condemn the Uyghur genocide, but hesitate on the gaza one, especially when the gaza one is more severe and urgent. To quote them directly:
Yes, that's exactly what I was saying but of course they misrepresented it. You know exactly what Americans are like. They couldn't give a shit about the uyghurs, except as a way to China bash and feel superior. I also explicitly said later in the comments I agreed it was a genocide. They're just doin' the usual bad faith takes.
Feel free to quote me lol
Since this goat had been banned from dbzer0 for being hostile:
https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=63615
the dude who has admitted on Lemmy to being a former member of several neo-nazi forums because he finds nazis "interesting" is being an asshole. that's shocking.
many anarchists used to be members of authcom communities because they found it interesting. i don't think what our worldviews were when we were young defines who we are
lemme know when those authcom communities are advocating purging the western world of anyone who isn't white and enslaving the rest of the world in a christian theocracy.
Ok, I'm on it:
When they were founded
you've got to be on some next level stupidity to believe that.
Mmhhmm, because Nazis don't love pretending to be communists on the internet, and half of them aren't run by Russian fascists in the first place.
Libs sure do love to think that Russia is behind every bad thing while they themselves argue for things like colonialism.
"Kill all Jews" and "kill all kulaks" have both killed enough people that this is a distinction without a difference.
Kill all billionaires is also a call for genocide then??
Kulaks were not a “people,” they were owners of private property, specifically farmland, who had serfs work the land. They lived off of the exploitation of others. They were the feudal rough-equivalent of the petit bourgeois class. So of course they weren’t going to embrace socialism or land collectivization, or having to work a day in their lives.
This is what happens to all of us who’ve lived a lifetime of anti-communist propaganda. Unless you take the time & effort to go back and examine all of that received wisdom, you’ll continue believing that Kulaks were a people genocided by the evil Slavic Bolsheviks. And then we have to—as patiently as we can muster—explain the same basic things to people over and over again.
Imagine thinking that expropriation of kulak property is both the same as calling for killing kulaks, and also that that is a bad thing.
You either don't know what the word 'kulak' means, or you are malicious.
Not the same, dude.
Like, nit necessarily good, but not the fucking same.
There are plenty of important differences, but "will not lead to mass death and forced labor, including along ethnic, religious and national lines" is not one of them. I get your instinct to want to say it is, but the number and scale of genocidal or genocide-parallel crimes committed under Stalin speaks for itself.
how do kulaks fit into this?
This mf thinks kulak is an ethnicity.
Im not in favor of either, but they are not remotely the same. Even the ethnic and cultural aftershocks are different.
it takes some industrial grade turbo-shitlib horseshoe theory mental gymnastics to be able to puke up some verbal diarrhea like that.
Then why did the Soviets kill so fucking many people? And don't get me started on our old friend Mao Zedong. The pursuit of socialist ideals under vanguard parties has caused enough mass murder across enough regimes that it's part of what you sign up for under authoritarian communism.
Why not? Are you afraid of embarrassing yourself even further?
so what you're saying is, you prefer nazis over communists. what a very typical liberal thing to say.
My live reaction:
By the way the word "lib," it doesn't mean what you think it means.
oh here we are, the lib is going to educate us all, people. straight from the “superpower” with the least educated population, but he knows what he knows because he’s spent years getting circlejerked by other libs.
no, no, put those books down, we won’t need them where he's taking us.
"If you change the word "Nazis" to "black people" then you see how rascist antifa are!"
Is that true? For what value of “many”? My impression is that—in the Anglosphere anyway—“auth” communists who once were anarchists is even more common. We’re fed a lifetime of anti-communist propaganda, and comparatively little ant-anarchist, and I think that people seldom arrive there along a straight path.
I’d like to see a breakdown of anarchists per capita by country. I think it’s predominantly a Western movement, but I don’t have data to back that up.