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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

It's tragically ironic that anarchists are so often scolded by condescending authoritarians for being "infantile," especially when we consider the historical context: no authoritarian regime has ever fostered the conditions necessary for genuine liberation. Are we really expected to believe that future authoritarian systems, following the same tired script, will succeed when every single one has historically exhibited a pattern of dismal failure and a litany of atrocities? Such a belief seems far more naive than the idealistic principles championed by anarchists.

The centralization of power in a single authority not only undermines individual autonomy but also infantilizes the very individuals it purports to protect. By relegating people to a subordinate status as dependents of the state, these systems strip them of agency and responsibility, suggesting that ordinary workers are incapable of making their own decisions. This dynamic adds another layer of irony to the common critique of anarchism, as it is the authoritarian structures that foster dependency, fear of change, and social and political immaturity. In stark contrast, the anarchist vision promotes a world grounded in self-sufficiency through mutual aid, freedom of association, and voluntary cooperation.

This section is pretty nakedly anti-Marxist, and again, I don't see why Deng is relevant here when this is against all branches of Marxism.

[-] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

I don't see why Deng is relevant here when this is against all branches of Marxism

They're calling us Dengists because most of us support China (even after Deng's post-Mao market reforms) as a socialist project, but since modern China is one of the Great Evil Authoritarian states by their reckoning, the term is meant as a pejorative. It's basically "tankie" but with anti-Chinese characteristics.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

I'm sure you're right, just wanted to tease the fact that they are just being anti-communist in general out. Hiding behind being "anti-Dengist" is a pejorative of convenience for them, but all of their issues apply to Marxism broadly.

[-] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Obviously as an anarchist I'm not a Marxist, no anarchists are. Plenty of us opt for anarchy, mutualism, communalism, municipalism, etc. We're socialists who disagree with Marx's program. Deng on the other hand is just a run of the mill capitalist making his followers enemies of the working class.

The fact that you're centering Marxism on c/anarchism is a bad look for this project. Not everything has to revolve around your fave bearded white guy. If we can't talk about anarchism here without needing to soothe Marxists' egos, why maintain an anarchist forum?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

I didn't say Marxists were anarchists or anarchists were Marxists. I stated that your issues with "Dengists" are just issues you have with Marxists coated in a less left-punchy way. Deng himself was a Marxist-Leninist working with the struggles brought about from the Gang of Four and the Cultural Revolution, socialism is still the mode of production in the PRC.

As for "centering Marxism," I was addressing your complaints of being dogpiled on by Marxists on an instance dominated by Marxists. There are many anarchist users on Lemmy.ml, and they share their views as well without resorting to thinly-veiled attacks on Marxists.

[-] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 3 weeks ago

Again, you're projecting. That you see the word "authoritarian regime" and immediately feel victimized says a lot more about you than me. It's talking about all authoritarian regimes from Nazi Germany to Fascist USA to Terf Island and beyond. Anarchists saying authoritarian states haven't liberated people historically is not a personal attack on you.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

It's pretty clearly hinting at those who would use the state to uplift the working class, making way for the gradual withering of the state alongside class, ie Marxists. It also directly talks about centralization, ie collectivizing production in the hands of all of society, a distinctly Marxist viewpoint.

[-] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 3 weeks ago

Central governments aren't the exclusive domain of Marxists. There's zero mention of using the state to uplift anyone. Holy moley the projection.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

The bit about centralizing all power in a single authority is pretty much the standard punch against Marxists. Having a central government is different from centralizing all of production. Secondly, there's this part:

The centralization of power in a single authority not only undermines individual autonomy but also infantilizes the very individuals it purports to protect. By relegating people to a subordinate status as dependents of the state, these systems strip them of agency and responsibility, suggesting that ordinary workers are incapable of making their own decisions

What is this supposed to be attacking other than the notion that a proletarian state can be used to uplift the proletariat?

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