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"raping" is something i'm not aware of, sorry, you'd need to elaborate.
Torturing? I mean, sure you can call it that, not the word i'd personally choose to describe it, but yeah, the harm was done.
On the topic of cultural destruction, i need you to elaborate as well. While i'm aware of supression of regional smaller cultures, i'm not aware of any that actually died out, (or died out by force, rather, Eskimos cultures were more-less tribal, and those never stay around without a proper isolation), even though some of them suffered stagnation. The latter was always considered by me as an inherent casuality of progress and overall globalisation tendencies. I guess more-less direct analogy would be the American "Melting Pot".
I think, further proof of my hypothesis could also be the modern state of the smaller cultures I'm familiar with:
modern Ukrainian culture is still pretty stagnant, and more-less follows the modern intercultural tendencies inhereted from the western culture, with an additional blend of rejection of the soviet past. The stagnation part is due to opression, you might argue, but...
I got to live several years in Czechia, and i can't say, that there's a much more developed and unique modern culture, despite far less pressure from the soviets, purely due to how far off it is. The only prominent difference i can see, is that in the culture of the, for instance, second half of the XX century — while 95% of Ukrainian arts and crafts were soviet-centric, Czech ones stayed more autonomous, even though still were heavily swayed, but in their cese by the western culture. But in exchange for that, Ukraine has a very bright cultural past in the late XIX — early XX centuries, while Chech were basically a part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Dozen of, now reverered as Czech, authors, for example, wrote their studies and fiction in German. No one seem to mourn that fact though.
My point was, and being, while, like any of the red dictatures of the XX century, USSR was far from being a utopia, lots of people were opressed, but we still should consider the fact that our modern view is still biased by the propaganda of the western side of that period, as, obviously just as the modern culture, modern view of history is just as well western-centric.
To give you a perspective, the soviet regime, while being strict and opressive, managed to raise pleades of world class scientists and managed to build world class infrastructure of that time, despite WWI and then the revolution, that left the historical region in ruin. I literally write it as i reside in a now-Ukrainian clinic, founded in the 30s by a soviet scientist (born at the territory of modern Russia), that is still one of the leading clinic in Europe, curing eye-related diseases.
What are you even on about. I grew up under soviet occupation. Not even going to entertain your troll attemps when you're questioning whether torturing and raping happend. Maybe start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gulag_camps
not questioning. Merely asking to educate me on the matter by providing some examples.
As far as I am aware, those labor camps, despite the associations, were far from being similar to what the nazis did, and, to be frank, i can't say that modern penitentiary facilities in most countries progressed in terms of humanity in comparison.
They were absolutely the same as nazi camps minus the ovens just because freezing people in Suberian winters was cheaper. You should really educate yourself because this ignorance is incredibly disrespectful for the survivors. Asking someone to spoon feed you in Lemmy comments is not the way.
fair, but i'm honestly just too lazy to do it myself, so that's why i asked.
And then killed some of them once they were no longer useful to the state, and continued to ignore scientists' warnings about the instability of USSR infrastructure
give me a few examples please. The only stories of that kind I've heard, where of Prokofev and Theremin, but otherwise, i'm not well aware of the matter.
You can look at Chornobyl as an example, granted that was near the end of the soviet union
ChAES was a disaster, not a deliberate sabotage to kill the scientists, so i honestly fail to see how your example, of all other possibie ones, demonstrates that soviets somehow were worse than others, considering that everyone with access to the atomic and related advancements had committed a portion of their own mistakes in the field.
Re: rape
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/03/1161281
Edit also
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/30/ukrainian-men-face-sexual-torture-in-russian-detention-centres-un
those are the modern events I'm aware of. We were talking about the soviet opression.
Right. That's also well documented. Go look at the sources.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes
yep, that's more like it, my appreciations.
This was literally two seconds. Stop being intellectually lazy if you want to contribute to discussions about stuff like this.
You are being extremely disrespectful to people that care about this stuff when you are this lazy.
hey, no one can care about literally everything in this world. This might sound cruel and unempathetic of me, but i've got lots of personal problems i should resolve, before i could allow myself to care about such things at a less leisurely level.
And just like you respect the ones deceased and harmed by the past (which is genuinely admireable), I, out of my, for the lack of more descriptive words, apathy and cowardice, choose to respect more mondene kinds of people, those i'm not deliberately looking for, yet meet every day; by treating them as well and polite as i can, which includes an initiative for self-education. Topics for this purpose, of course, like any other human, i pick mainly by how much interest i have in them at the moment.
Any discussions of recent history always contain a minefield of sensitive topics, so i want to clarify that this thread here exists purely out of my curiosity and a momentary will to educate myself, not out of ill intent, and i feel dirty as he|l every time i participate in topics like that, feeling that i might've harmed someone by my impolite asking, but this is simply the method that works for me the best.
And while i understand why you act condescending, as i also hate when people behave lazyminded, i actually would much appreciate if the practice of "spoon-feeding the knowledge" would be more common amongst people, as it can help eliminate avoidable ignorance, and potentially spark the receiving end to deepen their knowledge later.
This is why i prefer smaller communities like lemmy, as, while bigger crowds tend to incapsulate in echo-chambers, smaller ones enforce the mild friction of opposing opinions. And yes, my feelings about the instances' defederation system are bitter to say the least.
sorry for blabbering all this huge pile of text, i hope you have a great day.
If you don't care, demanding other people educate you in super disrespectful.
i've said what i had and wanted to say, and why i feel the way i do, it's your decision on what to think of it, but putting all i wrote into a phrase "not caring" is a very crude oversimplification.
You ask of me to stop acting lazy, yet you're reluctant to merely read my comment yourself. I hope my writing skills aren't actually that bad.
You said
So if I say uncaring it's just true, not a simplification. It undercuts the rest of what you were saying.
and i've literally dedicated a paragraph on why i think that "spoon-feeding" must be, if a person is caring enough to ask, but not caring enough to research. I don't care what you thik of me, but i really think the world would be a better place, if more people acted the way i proposed in that exact paragraph.
I honestly expected your judgement to be more rational and less emotional, especially considering how fast you swayed towards the edge of the latter, how valuable it is to pereive history in it's original context, and how it's practically impossible to be convincing while acting like you do. In other words, i'm bitterly disappointed in you, random person in my phone, i thought you were a heart of gold, but now you seem more like a guilt-tripped pretender.
it literally does not, and that's exactly why i wrote as many effing words as i did, because i know that people are scared of such long blankets of texts, so i avoid writing them whenever possible.
And at this point i subconciously start to doubt your earlier theseses, simply because if i can't trust your reding comprehention in a casual conversation, i can't trust your reading comprehention in regards to scientific historical publications either, even though i know it's a biased and probably unjustified way of thought. Well done.
Hmm
Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I don't understand you.
You were the one demanding other people educate you. If you won't take it my criticisms still stand.
Bye.
disagreement is not what i'm angry about, you haven't even read what i said, stopping at the first paragraph and acted all mighty and righteous, refusing to comprehend what's written further, stopping any semblance of discusrion then and there.