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[-] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago

As the other commenter responded, you’ll be told you’re wrong. Because you are. Presumably you’re referring to the fact that Ukraine hasn’t had an election, despite Zelenskyy’s term being over?

War. It’s war. The answer is because they’re at war. Martial law has been declared, a state of emergency, and their constitution suspends elections during such a time. If they want to keep drafting soldiers in order to fight against the war of conquest declared on them by Russia, then this cannot change.

Putin could end Zelenskyy’s term right now if he simply chose to end the war. Anyone who believes the situation is so simple as “Ukraine is a dictatorship” is not only wrong, but dangerously wrong, and likely dangerously stupid to boot.

[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com -2 points 18 hours ago

Ok, now apply that beautiful logic of yours to North Korea.

North Korea was bombed to the stone age in 1955 by the glorious and democratic USA (without consulting its people), to the point that 15% of North Koreans were murdered and 90% of all buildings were leveled. Afterwards, the most thorough and long-lasting economic blockade in history was imposed by the USA, which left the economy in shambles and made it very hard for the country to recover. It was recovering when, in 1991, its greatest commercial partner during blockade, the USSR, was dissolved, which left food insecurity in a country that wasnt allowed to import grain and whose cold climate and mountainous geography make agriculture quite complicated. For reference, a recent study showed that US economic blockades murder 500.000 people a year, quite a bit more than death rates from war in Ukraine.

US could end the criminal blockade of North Korea right now if he simply chose to, but no, the US doesn't want to stop murdering people through economic violence. As the Office of the Historian of the USA holds in its database:

every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba. If such a policy is adopted, it should be the result of a positive decision which would call forth a line of action which, while as adroit and inconspicuous as possible, makes the greatest inroads in denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government.

Hmmm, I wonder why they dont celebrate free elections in such critical conditions...

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The Cuban embargo is pretty messed up and I agree it is wrong. I don't find your argument in support of North Korea at all compelling. USSR is mostly to blame for the entire situation.

Yes, the US is pretty damned murderous. Perhaps the nation that has killed the most innocents and caused the most widespread destruction ever and we are apparently not done. "Department of War" is a garbage move by garbage people who want to subject more people to death.

Comparing North Korea to Ukraine is nonsensical. The DPRK leadership is clinically insane and they will never give up their power even after their last civilian is dead.

I would personally love to see their country reform and join the modern world. I won't hold my breath waiting. Meanwhile it is the common person who gets punished for their inability to give up power.

[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 points 11 hours ago

USSR is mostly to blame for the entire situation

USSR literally freed the Korean peninsula from Imperial Japanese occupation before the US even considered joining. Only when the US realized this may lead to communism in the region did they join in from the south to prevent total soviet liberation of Korea. The US then proceeded to bomb North Korea into hell, killing literal millions of people and leveling the entire country. How any of that is USSRs fault is beyond me.

I don't particularly love the Juche ideology, it's marked by very strong nationalism, but if you're incapable of understanding why the government is so quirky, think about this: one terrorist attack in the USA, 9/11, led to mass hysteria, oppressive laws regarding freedom of movement, widespread islamophobia, mass state surveillance, and it's one of the biggest scars of the country in recent history. If you don't think that the leveling of 90% OF BUILDINGS IN THE COUNTRY and the MURDER OF 15% OF THE POPULATION through bombs for the sin of being communist may have long-lasting consequences in the government and population, I encourage you to rethink that.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

The USSR were the ones who created the proxy war in the first place by stabilizing and arming the North Koreans. If they hadn't done this there would never have even been a Korean War. Was the US wrong? It was a massacre. Did the USSR setup a proxy war knowing full well what would happen? Yes.

The USSR also abandoned North Korea after its collapse. If North Korea was not propped up by them it would have fell and that would have ended one of the shittiest regimes ever.

It sucks to get caught between two super powers. The North Koreans are no saints, quite the opposite. They are well known for some of the worst human rights atrocities in the world.

When it comes to human suffering the world would have been better off if North Korea fell. The USSR prevented this.

[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The USSR were the ones who created the proxy war in the first place

So, the USA setting up a puppet regime on the other side of the ocean in a peninsula that shares land borders with the former Soviet Union is totally ok? How would you feel as an American if the southern half of Mexico were controlled by modern Russia (assuming you're from the US)? Do you understand how threatening that was to the Soviet Union geopolitically? Remember: the USA had already invaded the Soviet Union during the Russian Revolution, Churchill was clear about the motives for doing so: "I think the day will come when it will be recognized without doubt, not only on one side of the House, but throughout the civilized world, that the strangling of Bolshevism at its birth would have been an untold blessing to the human race". Obviously the Soviets didn't want an American puppet regime at their doorstep.

North Koreans are no saints, quite the opposite. They are well known for some of the worst human rights atrocities in the worl

The US killed 1.5 million civilians in North Korea alone during the war. How many millions of people has North Korea murdered? Sure, they have had quite an oppressive regime, but compared to leveling 90% of the buildings of North Korea through bombs, what accusation of human right violation do you bring up?

When it comes to human suffering the world would have been better off if North Korea fell

Knowing that the USA murders half a million people yearly through economic sanctions, and that the US would go on to also carpet bomb Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, destroy Iraq, support puppet fascists in the entire Latin America, destabilized the entire middle east, and as of today support materially and diplomatically the genocide of over half a million Palestinians for the past 2 years, do you agree that it's imperative that the USA falls?

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The US sucks for sure, but here is a wake up call. So does everyone else save some progressive European countries who were, in the past, bad as well.

Would I rather have the China calling the shots? No. Would I rather have Russia calling the shots? Hell no.

I guess we are at an impasse. The failure of the US would not bring the blessings you think it would.

Obviously the way forward is not through nations whose sole purpose is to fuck everyone over for their benefit. Do please keep praying at the altar of the state to solve your problems, but I won't be joining you.

[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Would I rather have the China calling the shots? No

Why not? China hasn't participated in any war over the past 40 years. The US is by far horrifyingly worse than China.

Again, which human right abuse has North Korea committed that is comparable to the leveling of essentially every building in a country through mass bombing campaigns?

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

China's communist revolution, which was really just an authoritarian power grab, caused and continues to cause massive suffering. China has provided the arms for numerous conflicts. Don't even try to play dumb.

If North Korea had the power and projection it would do far worse than the US. I am not going to defend the US because it is rotten to the core. I am not also going to pretend any of the other major players would be any better if they were at the helm.

The best way forward would be a peaceful revolution in the US and the establishment of the first actual socialist stateless society.

This is obviously pie in the sky so the second best thing would be for the US to slowly demilitarize while stabilizing the countries they destabilized and making amends for past behaviors where practical.

Concentration of power is what got us here and no other state has the solution because the solution comes from the people, not the corrupt ruling class using the violence of the state to maintain their privilege.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

China's communist revolution, which was really just an authoritarian power grab, caused and continues to cause massive suffering. China has provided the arms for numerous conflicts. Don't even try to play dumb.

If North Korea had the power and projection it would do far worse than the US. I am not going to defend the US because it is rotten to the core. I am not also going to pretend any of the other major players would be any better if they were at the helm.

The best way forward would be a peaceful revolution in the US and the establishment of the first actual socialist stateless society.

This is obviously pie in the sky so the second best thing would be for the US to slowly demilitarize while stabilizing the countries they destabilized and making amends for past behaviors where practical.

Concentration of power is what got us here and no other state has the solution because the solution comes from the people, not the corrupt ruling class using the violence of the state to maintain their privilege.

[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 1 hour ago

continues to cause massive suffering

By uplifting 800mn people from poverty in the biggest industrialization effort in human history?

China has provided the arms for numerous conflicts

What conflict over the past 40 years has China provided arms for?

If North Korea had the power and projection it would do far worse than the US

That's evidently American exceptionalism, you're out of your mind. The US is literally founded on genocide, and even being the richest nation in the world it can't afford universal healthcare to its own citizens. I can't possibly think of a worse nation to project power. You're absolutely high on American exceptionalism.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Someone has been drinking the Kool-Aid! I get it, you support China. I am not going to lecture you on the deaths they have caused throughout history continuing into modern times. How they starved hundreds of thousand of their own citizens to death in just one siege or their own genocides because you don't care and will just deny it.

You are trying so hard to not be objective it isn't even funny. I don't support any world super power. You do. That is the real difference.

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