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Not Just Bikes
An attempt to recreate the /r/NotJustBikes community on Lemmy. I'm just reserving the Community Name, other folks (for instance the /r/NotJustBikes mods?) are welcome to take over.
NOTE: This sublemmy (?) is in no way related to or affiliated with NotJustBikes, Jason Slaughter, etc.
#RULES
1. Be nice. Please.
I know it's the internet, but be nice. And report trolls & spammers.
2. No memes
No memes, image macros, or low-effort posts. These are easily upvoted, but they pollute the subreddit very quickly.
POSTING MEMES WILL RESULT IN A TEMPORARY BAN.
3. Stay on topic
Try to stick to posts and comments related to the themes of NJB videos, or content creation. Things like urban planning, mobility & transportation, social equity, Dutch culture, etc..
4. No Trolling
Go troll somewhere else. We don't need that shit here.
5. No comment screenshots
Please don't post screenshots of stupid comments as a post. We all know there are ignorant morons online, we don't need to bring even more attention to their stupid comments.
6. No vehicular cycling
I have no patience for advocates of vehicular cycling. You can talk about vehicular cycling, but if you promote it as an alternative to safe bike infrastructure, I will ban you. You can post that crap somewhere else.
7. No people being hit by cars/road violence
Do not show videos or pictures of people being hit by cars, or other road violence. We don't need to see that shit. We know cars are dangerous, and many people have bad memories of car crashes. Keep it out of this subreddit.
8. No tone policing
We don't need any more tone police. If you don't like the tone that Not Just Bike takes in his videos, there's a very easy solution: stop watching them.
9. No internet drama
Don't spread or promote drama over what has happened on the Internet. You're spending too much time online: go touch grass.
Okay there's a lot here. I guess I'll start with the raincoat thing. I've got two that are perfectly comfortable to wear in the summer. They are incredibly lightweight and can be unzipped for more airflow. In winter the key is to wear a jumper underneath.
What I'm trying to show you isn't that the weather doesn't exist, it's that it doesn't matter. The city I live in I don't have to spend more than 5 mins under sunlight or rain for each hour of commuting. The sidewalks are covered, and the tram stations have shelters. The only time I'll be in direct sunlight or rain is while I'm having to cross a road. This is a direct way in which city design alters the impact the weather has on me. Not by changing the weather but by shielding people from it.
Another thing is that car dependent infrastructure, such as roads and parking lots, are massive heat sinks that absorb massive amounts of solar energy and continuously radiate it as thermal energy. In this way car dependent city design actually does change the weather and make cities hotter.
Going back to the city I live in, all of my commutes are sub 30 minutes. Dentist, hospital, work, university, general store, hardware store; you name it, I can get there. This means that any weather related impacts are severely reduced by merit of not actually being outside all that often. Even during a 30min commute that will be time spent in an enclosed air conditioned space such as a tram or train. Using the ratio from earlier I'm realistically only gonna have to put up with 150 seconds of rain on the worst of days. This is because of the way my city is designed, it directly affects my weather exposure.
The statistical analysis I'm referring to is looking at a city with bad weather such as Oslo which the video referred to. Confirming for yourself what the weather is like there, cold and often snowy. And then checking with commuter statistics to see that yes despite the conditions, it doesn't stop people from commuting on public transport, bicycle or just their feet.
I'm not lying to you. I'm not trying to deceive you. I'm just saying that as someone who lives in a walkable city, I don't get rained on and I don't sweat my balls off. This stands in direct contrast to what you've said your experience is. I'm trying to show you that the reason for this is because you live in a city that isn't designed to be walkable, while I do. The weather doesn't matter, your city just isn't designed to handle it. This is the fault of car centric urban planning.
None of them are "perfectly comfortable" when it's >100*F outside with 90% humidity. I don't understand why you completely glossed over this part of the comment except to strawman.
I've never seen that anywhere.
I am aware of the urban heat island effect. It's still very fucking hot and uncomfortable riding MTB on dirt. And that's completely ignoring the idea of just, removing all of the pavement from the city?
This is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm talking about. Showing images of people riding bikes and then going "see, no one cares about the weather!" is completely proposterous, and, dare I say, lazy. Because there are actually people in those same videos in their cars. And certainly many of them would prefer to not be outside, given the option.
I would love to see statistics that show that no one cares about how cold it is when they're outside. Because that makes absolutely no sense. People in my area already complain about the cold when commuting in their cars. Even if it did, it completely ignores hot and humid/rainy.
I don't believe you. You've yet to explain how the city can be designed to protect you from hot or cold.
All of your points are just "I have never experienced this and I can't imagine things being like this." I literally talked about how cities such as mine are built with shade and weather sheltering in mind. You don't believe that I have a raincoat that works in 40C weather. You seem convinced that videos of people driving and cycling in the same video debunks people cycling in the rain. I don't really know where else to go from here. You've kind of indisputably proved me more right than I ever expected to be when I said "you don't know how bad it is and how good it can be until you've experienced it."
No, all of my points are "I experience this on a regular basis and you are lying". All of your points are strawmanning about how raincoats repel water while ignoring that they're hot as fuck, and how videos of a handful of people riding bikes in the rain in a city with limited car infrastructure disproves that it's uncomfortable, and you continually ignore mind-numbingly obvious evidence to the contrary.
Shade doesn't immediately make it not >100F with 90%+ humidity. Removing pavement doesn't remove all of the heat either, not to mention it turns the ground to mush at the first sign of precipitation. Everyone does not sweat the same. A coat doesn't suddenly make it warm and cozy when it's 17F outside. Having to plan your day and your clothing around the weather is going to impact your life. Only being outside for a half an hour doesn't suddenly mean you're immune to being impacted by the weather.
There is nowhere to go from here, because you're obviously not interested in an honest discussion or you would actually engage with my points instead of just repeating the same nonsense over and over.
I'm not lying, I'm describing my life to you. I believe you when you say your car centric city is miserable to walk around in. Why don't you believe me when I say my walkable city is walkable?