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Are you anti or pro genoside?
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Palestinians can learn a lot from the ANC's struggle for freedom in South Africa. They were also violently oppressed, they also had their land and property taken. They also became puppets of foreign governments with the goal of destabilizing the region
What changed, was that they realized they could never win an armed conflict and targeting civilians did nothing but intensify the oppression and undermine international sympathy for their cause.
They switched to a campaign of unarmed resistance, worked internationally to break the regime's support base and partnered with whites who also wanted the oppression to stop.
Israel will never stop this conflict, so long as they can use fear against their own citizens to remain in power. Palestinians need normal Israelis on their side.
So long as the pictures show a child vs a tank, their movement is working. But when it shows armed palestinian men attacking Israeli civilians, they are losing.
Palestinians, like the ANC, need to keep violence out of their movement, especially the use of religion to justify that violence.
This comment show lack of understanding of how Israeli response to peaceful protests.
It is wild to me when you expect anything from someone who is willing to shoot and kill children on live tv. By the way I am not talking about Gaza after October 7.
You can check out all the other peaceful protests where soldiers were shooting their knees, or respond with violence.
"You shouldnt scream when you get raped, instead call the police after and hopefully they will arrest him if they found enough evidence" OP probably....
You misunderstand unarmed resistance. You want to shout when raped, as loud as you can.
The key thing is you can never ever take the offensive and attack israeli civilians.
It is brutally unfair, but you can never cede the moral high ground, not even for a moment.
I mean, I do agree with the fact that civillians should never be attacked, but your "never use violence" part doesn't hold up. The police and military are valid target to attack.
I mean:
These are all "violence", but that's how they won.
Military targets are valid. Not arguing against that.
Regarding the other conflicts. They had much closer power parity, so they could compete with the opposition.
No, you want to kill or disabled your rapist and escape if you're being raped. A person who rapes is saying that they feel entitled to do anything with your body that they want to - including murder, more rape, imprisonment, forced pregnancy. Legally you are allowed to defend yourself. Rip out their throats with your hands. Kick out their kneecaps. Do the world a favor and yourself a favor. Self defense isn't violence.
Channel these women:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francine_Hughes
https://www.wweek.com/news/2016/08/17/a-hit-man-came-to-kill-susan-kuhnhausen-she-survived-he-didnt/
No you are absolutely wrong. The right to resist is recognized human rights.
Even South Africa recognized the Palestinians rights for arms resistance.
Israel goes around kidnapping people with military force and because media call it arrest it is okay. When Hamas do the same, you think it is wrong.
The Palestinians have giving away their weapons before and it didn't get them anywhere.
your comments are objectively wrong.
The South African government supporting armed resistance has very little to do with a moral position. It has more to do with them seeking support from Iran and Russia for their corruption.
I know it's not fair. It is brutal and inhumane.
Israel is committing a genocide Gaza to a degree we have not seen since the genocide in Dafhur.
My point is one of practicality. What does a violent attack on civilians achieve for the palestinian cause?
Say a man is in the woods with his family and they come across a wolf. The man attacks the wolf unprovoked and the wolf fights back, but the man is too strong. His only hope is that the family would tell the man to stop, or that a park ranger would notice it and intervene.
Would the wolf attacking the mans family achieve anything in its favour? Or would that erode his support with the family and the park ranger?
Ah, so it's all fine that Hamas primarily targets civilians then. I guess those women and children on October 7 had it coming - it was their fault for being born Israeli!
Oh, wait, there was a bunch of international tourists among the victims? Well, fuck them too for coming to Israel!
When did that happen?
when they attack soldiers Israeli cries about terrorists killing their young babies.
look at all those "civilians" with military titles that were killed (and bombed by Israel) in Oct7th.
There are no "Israeli" civilians, it's a genocidal settler state on occupied territories that belong to Palestinians. If a military comes to your home, vacates you forcefully and murders your family, you naturally have a right to violence against whoever is occupying your house.
So BDS?
Nope! I mean they did these things, as are Palestinians, but the armed resistance campaign only stopped as part of good faith negotiations with the Apartheid government. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMkhonto_weSizwe. The armed resistance and peaceful resistance campaigns worked together and supplemented each other to eventually bring an end to Apartheid in South Africa, exactly as we're seeing in Palestine right now.
80% of Jewish Israelis don't feel anything when shown pictures of starving Palestinians, so "normal" Israelis are clearly in the minority here, which is why peace and kindness alone have not worked and will never work. If you want more numbers that will make you lose your faith in humanity, I recommend this. Note: The link doesn't contain the 80% thing, but I can provide a source for that if you want. Point being: The things you're calling for are happening, but for a variety of reasons they're not enough, so they need to be backed up with armed struggle.
Normal israelis used to be more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. But regular missile attacks and air raid sirens desensitised them in recent times.
Israelis nearly got rid of Netanyahu, but attacks like Oct 7 galvanised the public behind him.
I lived the resistance of the ANC in the late 80s. Umkhonto weSiswe was a lot less prominent by then since the change in strategy. The remnants of that movement nearly derailed the entire process.
What I am advocating for is that in all similar situations around the world, armed attacks on the civilians of the other side have NEVER resulted in success. Not when there is a power disparity like this. They need to be removed from the strategy.
For all the good that did Palestinians. The fact of the matter is that no serious attempt at a two state solution (if we even consider Oslo that) has come from Israel since Rabin, and we all know how that ended. Israeli "support" for Palestinian liberation is too fickle and too noncommittal to be counted on as a basis for anything, and peace talks between the PA and Israel would remain as farcical as ever even as support for a two-state solution hit its peak (about 70%). As MLK describes in A Letter from a Birmingham Jail, "later" and "if you behave" have always been synonyms for "never" in liberation politics.
Israeli support for a two-state solution peaked after the notoriously violent Second Intifada, so I'm not convinced the amount of violence exercised by Palestinians is playing a significant role here. What's more likely is that the late 90s and early 2000s were an anomaly and now Israel is experiencing a pendulum swing in the opposite direction, helped along by the rise of fascism in Western-aligned democracies.
They were going to get rid of him because he's corrupt, not because support for his agenda had soured. Case in point: They refuse to get rid of him, even though an overwhelming majority wants him to resign, because they're prioritizing the genocide.
The late 80s was after most prerequisite progress had already happened and reform was a serious prospect; this is like saying "see? The Good Friday Agreement proves violence was unnecessary in North Irish liberation!" Like, of course violence will be less necessary with serious talks underway; the problem is forcing those talks to happen in the first place.
I'm not advocating attacking civilians specifically, but... North Ireland? What do you think the IRA was doing?
You think it's an execuse that some genocides are not acceptable because the people who denounce them have super brains, but Israeli's genocide is acceptable because Israelis cannot denounce aparthied and genocide because their brains cannot accept the truth, and so we should let them keep at it? ?!?!
Why is it that 99.9% of Israeli scholars and proffessors are anti Zionism? All their educated are anti Zionist despite how many rockets their country regualrly intercepts from Hamas.
Israelis are indoctrinated with Zionism and Jewish superamcy literally seeing Palestinians as non-humans. They refuse to open their eyes to the truth because they're too happy dancing next to besieged open-air prison, and enjoy previliges no one on this earth does.
You don't think unchecked power corrupts?? Well, literally a settler can come up to you, shoot you dead and nothing will happen to him. The court will grant him your mom's house which your family lived in before their country was even created, then come the next day protected by soliders to kick your family out. This is not an exaggeration, this happens in 2025 in the West Bank where there is no Hamas and the PO work under the IOF to oppress you.
Peacful marchings and Palestinain Ghandis were met with death for decades. South Africa's aparthied only ended AFTER the world sanctioned them to nonexistance while in Israel's case, not only there has never been a boycott, the world strongest economies enable them with $billions year after year and the Palestinain cause was dead.
On October-8-2023, the Western democracies of the world including France, Italy, UK, Spain and even the Arab dictatorships were siding with the occupying genocidal aparthied sucking Netynyahu's dick and it's on Youtube until this day.
And before Oct-7 2023, it was dead and the Arab dictatorships were normalizing relationships with a genocidal ethnostate under the US approval left and right. You cannot ask people to accept living as slaves when you only have one earthly existance. You either die slowly on your knees in silent, or die on your feet resisting, and they chose the harder bloodier latter because the first has not worked.
"Palestinian Nelson Mandela"
https://youtu.be/NJYNtwgesHU
Your comments make complete sense in the context that both sides have been radicalized against each other for the benefit of a very small group of leaders on both sides. They are the real enemies
There will never be peace in the region until the radicalisation cycles can be broken. That's where their power comes from.
and your comment makes as much sense as the picture in this post.. because one side wants a supremacy genocidal aparthied while the other side just want to live.
nice try, but mandela resisted being released early, because he felt violence is neccesary in his case to end apartheid.
Why do you think he changed his mind?
Palestinians can learn a lot from Rhodesia, there they killed the colonizers and took their home back.
And where did it leave them today?