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It wasn't baaad, but it wasn't great. It was a solid MEH. What a waste of two hours. I know, I know, I should have known better(it's a goddamn Marvel movie) but I love the FF and was curious. Great casting and aesthetic, but utterly lukewarm when it comes to memorable scenes or any kind of wow moments. Very FF paint-by-numbers. Esecially after DC killing it with Superman, it makes this movie look even more mediocre. c/movies I promise I'll never do this again 😭

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[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

Oversold? It was literally a stronger, US backed country, trying to slaughter the citizens of Jaranpur so that Boravia could annex it

And that's really literally it, any feeling of "wow this was meant to represent Israel/Palestine" is you heavily reading into it things that are not there. There's no real comparison to the settlement or the apartheid or anything. It's just "U.S. ally wants to annex random country" and that U.S. ally is, again, eastern European coded, there really is nothing whatsoever in the movie to make you go "wow, Boravia is just like Israel!"

Honestly it makes all the zionists pissing their pants over the movie that much more ridiculous, like the guy whose kid supposedly asked him why Superman is anti Israel while watching, because like, there really is nothing aesthetically or politically similar outside of "U.S. ally wants to annex country." It's like watching literally any bad guys in a movie and going "wow it's just like us fr fr"

Going into this movie thinking it is going to be an actual indictment of Israel genociding Palestine or the U.S.'s relationship with it is going to leave anyone expecting that incredibly disappointed

And yeah, he was getting his ass kicked because Lex cloned him and then stacked the deck in his favor by literally analyzing Superman's moves for years ao he could counteract his every xtion against the clone. I'm not going to say you have to like the movie but those are pretty weak points.

When it literally opens up with SUPERMAN coughing up blood i immediately went "oh this is why all those chuds hated this movie."

Superman isn't an idiot but he never once goes "hey, wait, that guy can hurt me, huh, i wonder why" i-love-not-thinking

Oh i forgot about how the movie never challenges Lex Luthor "recovering" his parents' "damaged" message, itt literally just ends with Mr Terrific going "boy i sure do trust those computer forensic nerds" like my man what the fuck is a computer nerd from earth going to know about Kryptonian video formats? They wouldn't even know enough to say shit one way or the other about the video being unaltered without like decades of independent study minimum

I'm glad you liked it but it was neither a good or fun movie for me. I like my anime protagonists to do more than get their shit rocked for a whole movie

[-] wolfinthewoods@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

And that's really literally it, any feeling of "wow this was meant to represent Israel/Palestine" is you heavily reading into it things that are not there. There's no real comparison to the settlement or the apartheid or anything. It's just "U.S. ally wants to annex random country" and that U.S. ally is, again, eastern European coded, there really is nothing whatsoever in the movie to make you go "wow, Boravia is just like Israel!"

I think you're splitting hairs here. Obviously the vast majority of people understood it to be a reference to the Israel/Palestine conflict hence why you and I are even talking about it. To be mad at a comic book movie for not giving some in-depth analysis of the Boravia/Jaranpur conflict and making a 1:1 representation of it with Israel/Palestine is missing the point. The movie did it's job in representing the conflict enough that people got the message loud and clear at what it was trying to say analogous to the real world. If you thought that it was superficial, fine, but that doesn't detract from the fact that it did it's job and people the world over are talking about what it really represents.

Superman isn't an idiot but he never once goes "hey, wait, that guy can hurt me, huh, i wonder why"

That's because when Ultraman originally shows up he's "The Hammer of Boravia", Superman didn't fight Ultraman until it was towards the end of the movie, and after fighting Ultraman in the sequence (probably a 10-15min fight in movie-world time) he figured it out pretty quick and had Krypto wreck Lex's drones.

Oh i forgot about how the movie never challenges Lex Luthor "recovering" his parents' "damaged" message, itt literally just ends with Mr Terrific going "boy i sure do trust those computer forensic nerds" like my man what the fuck is a computer nerd from earth going to know about Kryptonian video formats? They wouldn't even know enough to say shit one way or the other about the video being unaltered without like decades of independent study minimum

You're trying to apply real-world logic to a world that uses obvious comic book logic. Read a comic, that shit happens all the time, plus the Earth in a DC universe has waaaay more insanely, mind-boggingly, crazy beyond genius level intellects that these guys are making fucking alternate dimensions and portals to other worlds. In a world like that is it really so hard to believe? Plus, I don't think that that's the point, the point is that Superman's mission wasn't because the Kryptonians wanted him to be a good man, it's because he was raised by a loving Earth couple and chose to be a good man all on his own volition. I think that was a powerful statement. Trust me, as a Superman fan, I initially wasn't a fan of the message and the fact that it was taken so quickly at face value, but the more I thought about it the more I liked the dynamic that Superman is Superman not because of some pre-ordained destiny but because he decided on his own to be a beacon for hope.

I'm glad you liked it but it was neither a good or fun movie for me. I like my anime protagonists to do more than get their shit rocked for a whole movie

No worries, to each their own. We're all going to like different things for different reasons. Ironically the number one thing about Superman that people usually bitch about is that he is "too over-powered", and when he finally is given an opponent(s) that can actually hurt him people complain about that too. I thought it was refreshing to not just see Superman man-handling everything for a change, to show that despite how strong he is that he is still vulnerable.

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

the vast majority of people understood it to be a reference to the Israel/Palestine conflict hence why you and I are even talking about

The vast majority of people are fucking illiterate and they read shit into it that wasn't there, which is why it explicitly disappointed me. Anyone thinking "the director was commenting on Israel" is wish casting.

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